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From: Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>
To: "Limonciello, Mario" <mario.limonciello@amd.com>
Cc: Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"open list:PCI SUBSYSTEM" <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:THUNDERBOLT DRIVER" <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:RADEON and AMDGPU DRM DRIVERS" 
	<amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"open list:DRM DRIVERS" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"open list:DRM DRIVER FOR NVIDIA GEFORCE/QUADRO GPUS" 
	<nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Andreas Noever <andreas.noever@gmail.com>,
	Michael Jamet <michael.jamet@intel.com>,
	Yehezkel Bernat <YehezkelShB@gmail.com>,
	Alexander.Deucher@amd.com, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 04/12] PCI: Drop the `is_thunderbolt` attribute from PCI core
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:27:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YgoEUYLbYUbk5A6Q@lahna> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0ef8f2cb-1978-f469-71d3-2cf7469eb8b6@amd.com>

Hi Mario,

On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 11:26:56AM -0600, Limonciello, Mario wrote:
> On 2/13/2022 02:20, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 01:32:42PM -0600, Mario Limonciello wrote:
> > > The `is_thunderbolt` attribute is currently a dumping ground for a
> > > variety of things.
> > 
> > It's not as arbitrary as it may seem.  Quite a bit of thought went into
> > the current design.
> > 
> > 
> > > Instead use the driver core removable attribute to indicate the
> > > detail a device is attached to a thunderbolt or USB4 chain.
> > 
> > You're missing the point that "is_thunderbolt" is set on the *controller*
> > (i.e. its upstream and downstream ports).
> > 
> > The controller itself is *not* removable if it's the host controller.
> > 
> > However a device can be assumed to be removable if it has an ancestor
> > which has the "is_thunderbolt" flag set.
> > 
> 
> Ah right... I wonder if really what this series should be about then is
> setting up the the PCIe endpoints for PCIe tunneling and XHCI tunneling to
> be marked as "external" instead then.  It would mean that existing code will
> apply the removable attribute to everything downstream (and presumably at
> least some of those drivers it will continue to make sense to drop
> "pcie_is_thunderbolt_attached" and instead check dev_is_removable.

Yes, I think this is the right thing to do. Anything connected over
PCIe/USB 3.x tunnel is pretty much "removable" whereas the host
controllers may or may not. Typically they are not.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-14  7:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-11 19:32 [PATCH v3 00/12] Overhaul `is_thunderbolt` Mario Limonciello
2022-02-11 19:32 ` [PATCH v3 01/12] thunderbolt: move definition of PCI_CLASS_SERIAL_USB_USB4 Mario Limonciello
2022-02-11 21:02   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-02-11 19:32 ` [PATCH v3 02/12] PCI: Move `is_thunderbolt` check for lack of command completed to a quirk Mario Limonciello
2022-02-11 21:20   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-02-11 19:32 ` [PATCH v3 03/12] PCI: Move check for old Apple Thunderbolt controllers into " Mario Limonciello
2022-02-11 21:35   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-02-11 22:06     ` Limonciello, Mario
2022-02-14  7:15       ` Mika Westerberg
2022-02-13  9:19   ` Lukas Wunner
2022-02-13  9:21     ` Lukas Wunner
2022-02-14  7:23     ` Mika Westerberg
2022-02-11 19:32 ` [PATCH v3 04/12] PCI: Drop the `is_thunderbolt` attribute from PCI core Mario Limonciello
2022-02-13  8:20   ` Lukas Wunner
2022-02-13 17:26     ` Limonciello, Mario
2022-02-14  7:27       ` Mika Westerberg [this message]
2022-02-11 19:32 ` [PATCH v3 05/12] PCI: Detect root port of internal USB4 devices by `usb4-host-interface` Mario Limonciello
2022-02-11 21:45   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-02-14  7:34     ` Mika Westerberg
2022-02-14  8:52       ` Lukas Wunner
2022-02-14 10:56         ` Mika Westerberg
2022-02-14 11:08           ` Mika Westerberg
2022-02-14 11:11           ` Mika Westerberg
2022-02-17 20:40           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-02-11 19:32 ` [PATCH v3 06/12] PCI: Explicitly mark USB4 NHI devices as removable Mario Limonciello
2022-02-11 21:58   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-02-11 19:32 ` [PATCH v3 07/12] PCI: Set ports for discrete USB4 controllers appropriately Mario Limonciello
2022-02-11 22:10   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-02-11 19:32 ` [PATCH v3 08/12] drm/amd: drop the use of `pci_is_thunderbolt_attached` Mario Limonciello
2022-02-11 19:32 ` [PATCH v3 09/12] drm/nouveau: " Mario Limonciello
2022-02-11 19:32 ` [PATCH v3 10/12] drm/radeon: " Mario Limonciello
2022-02-11 19:32 ` [PATCH v3 11/12] platform/x86: amd-gmux: " Mario Limonciello
2022-02-11 19:32 ` [PATCH v3 12/12] PCI: drop `pci_is_thunderbolt_attached` Mario Limonciello

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