Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Kazakhstan (KZ)

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Kazakhstan (KZ)

[Pavel Starosek]

Updates, based on [1] (search for word "RLAN" to jump to the desired
part on the page):

* Extended range 2400-2483.5
* 5150–5250 MHz range may be up to 200 mW
* The same is about 5250 - 5350 MHz according to our local
regulations, but looks like this is incorrect because of TPC?
Therefore, I didn't change this value
* Add 5725-5850 MHz range for indoor usage
* Add 57-66 GHz range. It must be outdoors only, so we don't specify
NO-OUTDOOR at all, right?
* In 5470-5725 changed the bandwidth from 80 to 160 (typo?)
As I understand it, there is no DFS requirement for the 5725-5850
range anywhere in the [2] document.

I can suggest this change. Please check if everything is correct?
---
# [1] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730
# [2] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010375
country KZ: DFS-ETSI
    (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20)
    (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
    (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW
    (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
    (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR
    (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)

---
Thanks,
Pavel


On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 3:16 AM Pavel Starosek <starosekpd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Updates, based on [1] (search for word "RLAN" to jump to the desired part on the page):
>
> * Extended range 2400-2483.5
> * 5150–5250 MHz range may be up to 200 mW
> * The same is about 5250 - 5350 MHz according to our local regulations, but looks like this is incorrect because of TPC? Therefore, I didn't change this value
> * Add 5725-5850 MHz range for indoor usage
> * Add 57-66 GHz range. It must be outdoors only, so we don't specify NO-OUTDOOR at all, right?
> * In 5470-5725 changed the bandwidth from 80 to 160 (typo?)
> As I understand it, there is no DFS requirement for the 5725-5850 range anywhere in the [2] document.
>
> I can suggest this change. Please check if everything is correct?
> ---
> # [1] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730
> # [2] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010375
> country KZ: DFS-ETSI
>     (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20)
>     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
>     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW
>     (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
>     (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR
>     (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
>
> ---
> Thanks,
> Pavel
>

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Kazakhstan (KZ)

[Seth Forshee]

On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 03:19:01AM +0600, Pavel Starosek wrote:
> Updates, based on [1] (search for word "RLAN" to jump to the desired
> part on the page):

Thanks for the updates. I think there are some questions though be
answered in the documents you linked to. I find that tables like these
often have incomplete information. Sometimes they refer to other
documents, but I'm not seeing any such references here. I've tried to
find more complete documents, but I haven't had any luck.

Overall these look okay, but if you are able to find any additional
information to clarify some of these points it would be helpful.

> * Extended range 2400-2483.5
> * 5150–5250 MHz range may be up to 200 mW
> * The same is about 5250 - 5350 MHz according to our local
> regulations, but looks like this is incorrect because of TPC?
> Therefore, I didn't change this value

It would be nice to know for sure, but without any additional
information keeping it at 20 dBm is the safe bet. Many countries do
require TPC in this range.

> * Add 5725-5850 MHz range for indoor usage

Here it would be nice to know if there are any additional restrictions
on use, e.g. TPC or DFS. That appears to be rare though, so it seems
unlikely.

> * Add 57-66 GHz range. It must be outdoors only, so we don't specify
> NO-OUTDOOR at all, right?

That is generally the case for this range. What you suggest looks fine.

> * In 5470-5725 changed the bandwidth from 80 to 160 (typo?)

Probably not a typo, if 160 MHz channels are allowed the entry probably
just hasn't been updated. But those documents don't really state whether
or not they are allowed.

> As I understand it, there is no DFS requirement for the 5725-5850
> range anywhere in the [2] document.

I don't it documenting any DFS requirement at all though, and severaly
entries in the db have a DFS requirement, so I'm not sure that really
clears up the question. I'm reading a translation of the document
though, so maybe I'm just not finding them.

Let me know if you're able to find any more information to clear up
these questions. Are you able to send the changes as a patch? If you
don't know how, that's fine, I can create a patch.

Thanks,
Seth

> 
> I can suggest this change. Please check if everything is correct?
> ---
> # [1] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730
> # [2] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010375
> country KZ: DFS-ETSI
>     (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20)
>     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
>     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW
>     (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
>     (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR
>     (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
> 
> ---
> Thanks,
> Pavel
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 3:16 AM Pavel Starosek <starosekpd@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Updates, based on [1] (search for word "RLAN" to jump to the desired part on the page):
> >
> > * Extended range 2400-2483.5
> > * 5150–5250 MHz range may be up to 200 mW
> > * The same is about 5250 - 5350 MHz according to our local regulations, but looks like this is incorrect because of TPC? Therefore, I didn't change this value
> > * Add 5725-5850 MHz range for indoor usage
> > * Add 57-66 GHz range. It must be outdoors only, so we don't specify NO-OUTDOOR at all, right?
> > * In 5470-5725 changed the bandwidth from 80 to 160 (typo?)
> > As I understand it, there is no DFS requirement for the 5725-5850 range anywhere in the [2] document.
> >
> > I can suggest this change. Please check if everything is correct?
> > ---
> > # [1] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730
> > # [2] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010375
> > country KZ: DFS-ETSI
> >     (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20)
> >     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
> >     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW
> >     (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> >     (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR
> >     (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
> >
> > ---
> > Thanks,
> > Pavel
> >

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Kazakhstan (KZ)

[Pavel Starosek]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 3:40 AM Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 03:19:01AM +0600, Pavel Starosek wrote:
> > Updates, based on [1] (search for word "RLAN" to jump to the desired
> > part on the page):
>
> Thanks for the updates. I think there are some questions though be
> answered in the documents you linked to. I find that tables like these
> often have incomplete information. Sometimes they refer to other
> documents, but I'm not seeing any such references here. I've tried to
> find more complete documents, but I haven't had any luck.
>
> Overall these look okay, but if you are able to find any additional
> information to clarify some of these points it would be helpful.
>
> > * Extended range 2400-2483.5
> > * 5150–5250 MHz range may be up to 200 mW
> > * The same is about 5250 - 5350 MHz according to our local
> > regulations, but looks like this is incorrect because of TPC?
> > Therefore, I didn't change this value
>
> It would be nice to know for sure, but without any additional
> information keeping it at 20 dBm is the safe bet. Many countries do
> require TPC in this range.

Probably DFS is required in 5470-5650 MHz range because of 5.450В rule
in [2].
> > * Add 5725-5850 MHz range for indoor usage
>
> Here it would be nice to know if there are any additional restrictions
> on use, e.g. TPC or DFS. That appears to be rare though, so it seems
> unlikely.

I didn't find any TPC or DFS requirements about this 5725-5850 range.
> > * Add 57-66 GHz range. It must be outdoors only, so we don't specify
> > NO-OUTDOOR at all, right?
>
> That is generally the case for this range. What you suggest looks fine.
>
> > * In 5470-5725 changed the bandwidth from 80 to 160 (typo?)
>
> Probably not a typo, if 160 MHz channels are allowed the entry probably
> just hasn't been updated. But those documents don't really state whether
> or not they are allowed.
>
> > As I understand it, there is no DFS requirement for the 5725-5850
> > range anywhere in the [2] document.
>
> I don't it documenting any DFS requirement at all though, and severaly
> entries in the db have a DFS requirement, so I'm not sure that really
> clears up the question. I'm reading a translation of the document
> though, so maybe I'm just not finding them.
>
> Let me know if you're able to find any more information to clear up
> these questions. Are you able to send the changes as a patch? If you
> don't know how, that's fine, I can create a patch.

In fact, I'm not sure at all if document [2] applies to our case. Since the
rules in it regulate the actions for transportable radio navigation services
(used in sea, air, space). So these are additional regulations.

The main rules are described in document [1]. And according to them,
these rules do not apply to Wi-Fi devices, according to
chapter 1, paragraph 1, subparagraph 1. Please read from this paragraph:
http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730#z34
Since Wi-Fi devices refer to the table in Appendix 1, I think they are
priority.

I'll send a patch soon.
>
> Thanks,
> Seth
>
> >
> > I can suggest this change. Please check if everything is correct?
> > ---
> > # [1] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730
> > # [2] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010375
> > country KZ: DFS-ETSI
> >     (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20)
> >     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
> >     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW
> >     (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> >     (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR
> >     (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
> >
> > ---
> > Thanks,
> > Pavel