* mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git @ 2024-06-05 14:00 Andreas Kemnade 2024-06-05 14:43 ` Tamás Szűcs 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Andreas Kemnade @ 2024-06-05 14:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: briannorris, francesco, linux-wireless, linux-firmware, lukas, tszucs, yu-hao.lin Hi, I am a bit wondering, but there is mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin referenced in the driver, but apperently it is not in the firmware git. https://github.com/nxp-imx/imx-firmware/blob/lf-6.6.3_1.0.0/nxp/FwImage_8987/sdiouart8987_combo_v0.bin seems to apparently work. How to proceed? Should the file be renamed and added to the fw git? The uartuart8987_bt.bin needed by the btnxpuart driver is there. It is just nasty to have a driver for a device but some manual matching of firmware BTW: there is also https://github.com/nxp-imx/imx-firmware/blob/lf-6.6.3_1.0.0/nxp/FwImage_8987/sd8987_wlan.bin Regards, Andreas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git 2024-06-05 14:00 mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git Andreas Kemnade @ 2024-06-05 14:43 ` Tamás Szűcs 2024-06-05 15:47 ` Andreas Kemnade 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Tamás Szűcs @ 2024-06-05 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andreas Kemnade Cc: briannorris, francesco, linux-wireless, linux-firmware, lukas, yu-hao.lin Hi Andreas, Excellent point. Please note, that btmrvl_sdio needs an SDIO BT FW. So, mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin should preferably be a such a combo FW. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, none is available publicly. Also, after the acquisition of Marvell IoT, NXP regrettably decided to develop mwifiex downstream, here https://github.com/nxp-imx/mwifiex. It is what it is. Due to licensing, the FW binary should come from NXP. I cannot arrange that. Kind regards, Tamas Tamás Szűcs tszucs@protonmail.ch Sent with Proton Mail secure email. On Wednesday, June 5th, 2024 at 4:00 PM, Andreas Kemnade <andreas@kemnade.info> wrote: > Hi, > > I am a bit wondering, but there is mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin > referenced in the driver, but apperently it is not in the firmware git. > > https://github.com/nxp-imx/imx-firmware/blob/lf-6.6.3_1.0.0/nxp/FwImage_8987/sdiouart8987_combo_v0.bin > > seems to apparently work. How to proceed? Should the file be renamed and added > to the fw git? > The uartuart8987_bt.bin needed by the btnxpuart driver is there. > > It is just nasty to have a driver for a device but some manual matching of firmware > > BTW: there is also https://github.com/nxp-imx/imx-firmware/blob/lf-6.6.3_1.0.0/nxp/FwImage_8987/sd8987_wlan.bin > > Regards, > Andreas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git 2024-06-05 14:43 ` Tamás Szűcs @ 2024-06-05 15:47 ` Andreas Kemnade 2024-06-06 10:18 ` Francesco Dolcini 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Andreas Kemnade @ 2024-06-05 15:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Tamás Szűcs, linux-firmware Cc: briannorris, francesco, linux-wireless, lukas, yu-hao.lin Am Wed, 05 Jun 2024 14:43:53 +0000 schrieb Tamás Szűcs <tszucs@protonmail.ch>: > Hi Andreas, > > Excellent point. Please note, that btmrvl_sdio needs an SDIO BT FW. > So, mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin should preferably be a such a combo FW. > as said the firmware here seems to work for me (after renaming): https://github.com/nxp-imx/imx-firmware/blob/lf-6.6.3_1.0.0/nxp/FwImage_8987/sdiouart8987_combo_v0.bin I can use bluetooth together with btnxpuart driver and firmware /lib/firmware/nxp/uartuart8987_bt.bin which is officially part of linux-firmware and also in the same directory in the imx-firmware git mentioned above. > Unfortunately, to my knowledge, none is available publicly. Also, > after the acquisition of Marvell IoT, NXP regrettably decided to > develop mwifiex downstream, here https://github.com/nxp-imx/mwifiex. > > It is what it is. Due to licensing, the FW binary should come from > NXP. I cannot arrange that. Regarding license I found that snippet in nxp/SCR_nxp.txt: Package: FwImage_8997, FwImage_8987, FwImage_8801, FwImage_9098, FwImage_IW416, FwImage_IW612 Outgoing License: LA_OPT_NXP_Software_License - Production Use, Section 2.3 applies License File: EULA.txt Section 2.3 is: 2.3. Additional Distribution License But that is all legalese and I am not a lawyer... Best is of course something officially added from NXP. No idea if it can be done otherwise. How to make NXP add something? Regards, Andreas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git 2024-06-05 15:47 ` Andreas Kemnade @ 2024-06-06 10:18 ` Francesco Dolcini 2024-06-06 13:49 ` Lukas Wunner 2024-06-12 2:17 ` [EXT] " David Lin 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Francesco Dolcini @ 2024-06-06 10:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andreas Kemnade, yu-hao.lin, Neeraj Kale Cc: Tamás Szűcs, linux-firmware, briannorris, francesco, linux-wireless, lukas +Neeraj Hello David, hello Neeraj On Wed, Jun 05, 2024 at 05:47:09PM +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > But that is all legalese and I am not a lawyer... Best is of course > something officially added from NXP. No idea if it can be done > otherwise. How to make NXP add something? Would it be possible for you to get these firmware files added to the official linux-firmware git repo? I am not using sd8987 myself, from what I read in the thread probably some file name would need to be corrected (I would say in the mwifiex driver). Thanks, Francesco ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git 2024-06-06 10:18 ` Francesco Dolcini @ 2024-06-06 13:49 ` Lukas Wunner 2024-06-12 2:17 ` [EXT] " David Lin 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Lukas Wunner @ 2024-06-06 13:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Francesco Dolcini, Sherry Sun, Dinesh Phatak, Pankaj Razdan Cc: Andreas Kemnade, yu-hao.lin, Neeraj Kale, Tamás Sz??cs, linux-firmware, briannorris, linux-wireless, Nicolai Buchwitz, Philipp Rosenberger, Lino Sanfilippo [add more interested parties to cc] On Thu, Jun 06, 2024 at 12:18:39PM +0200, Francesco Dolcini wrote: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2024 at 05:47:09PM +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > > But that is all legalese and I am not a lawyer... Best is of course > > something officially added from NXP. No idea if it can be done > > otherwise. How to make NXP add something? > > Would it be possible for you to get these firmware files added to the > official linux-firmware git repo? > > I am not using sd8987 myself, from what I read in the thread probably > some file name would need to be corrected (I would say in the mwifiex > driver). I'd appreciate if NXP could additionally greenlight addition of: https://github.com/nxp-imx/imx-firmware/blob/lf-6.6.3_1.0.0/nxp/FwImage_IW416_SD/sdiouartiw416_combo_v0.bin https://github.com/nxp-imx/imx-firmware/blob/lf-6.6.3_1.0.0/nxp/FwImage_IW416_SD/uartiw416_bt_v0.bin ...to the linux-firmware repo. They're necessary for SD8978 (aka IW416), which has been supported by mwifiex since commit bba047f15851 ("wifi: mwifiex: Support SD8978 chipset"). Back in the day when I submitted that commit, I concurrently reached out to NXP. Sherry Sun kindly responded that Dinesh Phatak and Pankaj Razdan need to confirm upstreaming into linux-firmware (both +cc). The problem is that mwifiex firmware originating from https://github.com/NXP/mwifiex-firmware/ is available under a simple 3-clause licence, but only contains outdated firmware for older chips. More recent firmware available from https://github.com/nxp-imx/imx-firmware seems to be distributed under different and much longer licensing terms: https://github.com/nxp-imx/imx-firmware/blob/lf-6.6.3_1.0.0/LICENSE.txt So I think we need confirmation from NXP before we can add the firmware to the linux-firmware repo. Thanks, Lukas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* RE: [EXT] Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git 2024-06-06 10:18 ` Francesco Dolcini 2024-06-06 13:49 ` Lukas Wunner @ 2024-06-12 2:17 ` David Lin 2024-06-12 6:47 ` Francesco Dolcini 2024-06-12 7:40 ` Andreas Kemnade 1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: David Lin @ 2024-06-12 2:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Francesco Dolcini, Andreas Kemnade, Neeraj Sanjay Kale Cc: Tamás Szűcs, linux-firmware@kernel.org, briannorris@chromium.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, lukas@wunner.de > From: Francesco Dolcini <francesco@dolcini.it> > Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2024 6:19 PM > To: Andreas Kemnade <andreas@kemnade.info>; David Lin > <yu-hao.lin@nxp.com>; Neeraj Sanjay Kale <neeraj.sanjaykale@nxp.com> > Cc: Tamás Szűcs <tszucs@protonmail.ch>; linux-firmware@kernel.org; > briannorris@chromium.org; francesco@dolcini.it; > linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org; lukas@wunner.de > Subject: [EXT] Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the > firmware git > > Caution: This is an external email. Please take care when clicking links or > opening attachments. When in doubt, report the message using the 'Report > this email' button > > > +Neeraj > > Hello David, hello Neeraj > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2024 at 05:47:09PM +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > > But that is all legalese and I am not a lawyer... Best is of course > > something officially added from NXP. No idea if it can be done > > otherwise. How to make NXP add something? > > Would it be possible for you to get these firmware files added to the official > linux-firmware git repo? > > I am not using sd8987 myself, from what I read in the thread probably some > file name would need to be corrected (I would say in the mwifiex driver). > > Thanks, > Francesco I am not responsible for firmware release. You can get updated firmware from https://github.com/nxp-imx/imx-firmware/. Normally the firmware will be merged to NXP Yocto project. Thanks, David ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [EXT] Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git 2024-06-12 2:17 ` [EXT] " David Lin @ 2024-06-12 6:47 ` Francesco Dolcini 2024-06-17 2:13 ` David Lin 2024-06-12 7:40 ` Andreas Kemnade 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Francesco Dolcini @ 2024-06-12 6:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Lin Cc: Francesco Dolcini, Andreas Kemnade, Neeraj Sanjay Kale, Tamás Szűcs, linux-firmware@kernel.org, briannorris@chromium.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, lukas@wunner.de Hello David, On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 02:17:46AM +0000, David Lin wrote: > > From: Francesco Dolcini <francesco@dolcini.it> > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2024 at 05:47:09PM +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > > > But that is all legalese and I am not a lawyer... Best is of course > > > something officially added from NXP. No idea if it can be done > > > otherwise. How to make NXP add something? > > > > Would it be possible for you to get these firmware files added to the official > > linux-firmware git repo? > > > > I am not using sd8987 myself, from what I read in the thread probably some > > file name would need to be corrected (I would say in the mwifiex driver). > > I am not responsible for firmware release. > You can get updated firmware from https://github.com/nxp-imx/imx-firmware/. Yes, I am aware of both, and most of the people in this thread is aware of the second. I was wondering if you could facilitate within NXP having these firmware files added to the linux firmware git repository, where they should be for various reasons. To whom should I write such a request? Can you help in any way? Francesco ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* RE: [EXT] Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git 2024-06-12 6:47 ` Francesco Dolcini @ 2024-06-17 2:13 ` David Lin 2024-11-16 21:41 ` Andreas Kemnade 2026-09-25 14:58 ` Andreas Kemnade 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: David Lin @ 2024-06-17 2:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Francesco Dolcini Cc: Andreas Kemnade, Neeraj Sanjay Kale, Tamás Szűcs, linux-firmware@kernel.org, briannorris@chromium.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, lukas@wunner.de > From: Francesco Dolcini <francesco@dolcini.it> > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 2:48 PM > To: David Lin <yu-hao.lin@nxp.com> > Cc: Francesco Dolcini <francesco@dolcini.it>; Andreas Kemnade > <andreas@kemnade.info>; Neeraj Sanjay Kale <neeraj.sanjaykale@nxp.com>; > Tamás Szűcs <tszucs@protonmail.ch>; linux-firmware@kernel.org; > briannorris@chromium.org; linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org; lukas@wunner.de > Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the > firmware git > > Caution: This is an external email. Please take care when clicking links or > opening attachments. When in doubt, report the message using the 'Report > this email' button > > > Hello David, > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 02:17:46AM +0000, David Lin wrote: > > > From: Francesco Dolcini <francesco@dolcini.it> On Wed, Jun 05, 2024 > > > at 05:47:09PM +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > > > > But that is all legalese and I am not a lawyer... Best is of > > > > course something officially added from NXP. No idea if it can be > > > > done otherwise. How to make NXP add something? > > > > > > Would it be possible for you to get these firmware files added to > > > the official linux-firmware git repo? > > > > > > I am not using sd8987 myself, from what I read in the thread > > > probably some file name would need to be corrected (I would say in the > mwifiex driver). > > > > I am not responsible for firmware release. > > You can get updated firmware from > https://github.co/ > m%2Fnxp-imx%2Fimx-firmware%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cyu-hao.lin%40nxp.co > m%7C10acf638ebf04b0979ed08dc8aab99d5%7C686ea1d3bc2b4c6fa92cd99c5 > c301635%7C0%7C0%7C638537716818815780%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d > 8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3 > D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZrU82HbKZ%2Ff87IG2tgInfq7kbyCuV8PcksxvTWiM > HtQ%3D&reserved=0. > Yes, I am aware of both, and most of the people in this thread is aware of the > second. > > I was wondering if you could facilitate within NXP having these firmware files > added to the linux firmware git repository, where they should be for various > reasons. To whom should I write such a request? Can you help in any way? > > Francesco I reported this issue just like Neeraj did. David ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [EXT] Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git 2024-06-17 2:13 ` David Lin @ 2024-11-16 21:41 ` Andreas Kemnade 2026-09-25 14:58 ` Andreas Kemnade 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Andreas Kemnade @ 2024-11-16 21:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Lin Cc: Francesco Dolcini, Neeraj Sanjay Kale, Tamás Szűcs, linux-firmware@kernel.org, briannorris@chromium.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, lukas@wunner.de Hi, Am Mon, 17 Jun 2024 02:13:22 +0000 schrieb David Lin <yu-hao.lin@nxp.com>: > > From: Francesco Dolcini <francesco@dolcini.it> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 2:48 PM > > To: David Lin <yu-hao.lin@nxp.com> > > Cc: Francesco Dolcini <francesco@dolcini.it>; Andreas Kemnade > > <andreas@kemnade.info>; Neeraj Sanjay Kale <neeraj.sanjaykale@nxp.com>; > > Tamás Szűcs <tszucs@protonmail.ch>; linux-firmware@kernel.org; > > briannorris@chromium.org; linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org; lukas@wunner.de > > Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the > > firmware git > > > > Caution: This is an external email. Please take care when clicking links or > > opening attachments. When in doubt, report the message using the 'Report > > this email' button > > > > > > Hello David, > > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 02:17:46AM +0000, David Lin wrote: > > > > From: Francesco Dolcini <francesco@dolcini.it> On Wed, Jun 05, 2024 > > > > at 05:47:09PM +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > > > > > But that is all legalese and I am not a lawyer... Best is of > > > > > course something officially added from NXP. No idea if it can be > > > > > done otherwise. How to make NXP add something? > > > > > > > > Would it be possible for you to get these firmware files added to > > > > the official linux-firmware git repo? > > > > > > > > I am not using sd8987 myself, from what I read in the thread > > > > probably some file name would need to be corrected (I would say in the > > mwifiex driver). > > > > > > I am not responsible for firmware release. > > > You can get updated firmware from > > https://github.co/ > > m%2Fnxp-imx%2Fimx-firmware%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cyu-hao.lin%40nxp.co > > m%7C10acf638ebf04b0979ed08dc8aab99d5%7C686ea1d3bc2b4c6fa92cd99c5 > > c301635%7C0%7C0%7C638537716818815780%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d > > 8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3 > > D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZrU82HbKZ%2Ff87IG2tgInfq7kbyCuV8PcksxvTWiM > > HtQ%3D&reserved=0. > > Yes, I am aware of both, and most of the people in this thread is aware of the > > second. > > > > I was wondering if you could facilitate within NXP having these firmware files > > added to the linux firmware git repository, where they should be for various > > reasons. To whom should I write such a request? Can you help in any way? > > > > Francesco > > I reported this issue just like Neeraj did. > any update on this topic? Regards, Andreas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [EXT] Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git 2024-06-17 2:13 ` David Lin 2024-11-16 21:41 ` Andreas Kemnade @ 2026-09-25 14:58 ` Andreas Kemnade 2026-09-25 16:27 ` Brian Norris 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Andreas Kemnade @ 2026-09-25 14:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Lin Cc: Francesco Dolcini, Neeraj Sanjay Kale, Tamás Szűcs, linux-firmware@kernel.org, briannorris@chromium.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, lukas@wunner.de On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 02:13:22 +0000 David Lin <yu-hao.lin@nxp.com> wrote: > > From: Francesco Dolcini <francesco@dolcini.it> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 2:48 PM > > To: David Lin <yu-hao.lin@nxp.com> > > Cc: Francesco Dolcini <francesco@dolcini.it>; Andreas Kemnade > > <andreas@kemnade.info>; Neeraj Sanjay Kale <neeraj.sanjaykale@nxp.com>; > > Tamás Szűcs <tszucs@protonmail.ch>; linux-firmware@kernel.org; > > briannorris@chromium.org; linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org; lukas@wunner.de > > Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the > > firmware git > > > > Caution: This is an external email. Please take care when clicking links or > > opening attachments. When in doubt, report the message using the 'Report > > this email' button > > > > > > Hello David, > > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 02:17:46AM +0000, David Lin wrote: > > > > From: Francesco Dolcini <francesco@dolcini.it> On Wed, Jun 05, 2024 > > > > at 05:47:09PM +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > > > > > But that is all legalese and I am not a lawyer... Best is of > > > > > course something officially added from NXP. No idea if it can be > > > > > done otherwise. How to make NXP add something? > > > > > > > > Would it be possible for you to get these firmware files added to > > > > the official linux-firmware git repo? > > > > > > > > I am not using sd8987 myself, from what I read in the thread > > > > probably some file name would need to be corrected (I would say in the > > mwifiex driver). > > > > > > I am not responsible for firmware release. > > > You can get updated firmware from > > https://github.co/ > > m%2Fnxp-imx%2Fimx-firmware%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cyu-hao.lin%40nxp.co > > m%7C10acf638ebf04b0979ed08dc8aab99d5%7C686ea1d3bc2b4c6fa92cd99c5 > > c301635%7C0%7C0%7C638537716818815780%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d > > 8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3 > > D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZrU82HbKZ%2Ff87IG2tgInfq7kbyCuV8PcksxvTWiM > > HtQ%3D&reserved=0. > > Yes, I am aware of both, and most of the people in this thread is aware of the > > second. > > > > I was wondering if you could facilitate within NXP having these firmware files > > added to the linux firmware git repository, where they should be for various > > reasons. To whom should I write such a request? Can you help in any way? > > > > Francesco > > I reported this issue just like Neeraj did. > This thing seems to be stalled. How is the most practical way to deal with the situation? For people building OE images for machines with these devices it seems clear. But if you do not spread full images, but have an archive of packages. Lets say the Alpine linux distribution. The License terms have in 2.3(b): "(b) to copy and distribute as needed, solely in connection with an Authorized System and for use in combination with a NXP Product," If I read it correctly, the firmware cannot life in such a repository, since the repository is used by different machines. Is my interpretation correct? So would a downloader in a post-install hook be an alternative? Regards, Andreas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [EXT] Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git 2026-09-25 14:58 ` Andreas Kemnade @ 2026-09-25 16:27 ` Brian Norris 2026-09-26 7:00 ` Andreas Kemnade 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Brian Norris @ 2026-09-25 16:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andreas Kemnade Cc: David Lin, Francesco Dolcini, Neeraj Sanjay Kale, Tamás Szűcs, linux-firmware@kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, lukas@wunner.de On Fri, Sep 25, 2026 at 04:58:14PM +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > The License terms have in 2.3(b): > "(b) to copy and distribute as needed, solely in connection with an > Authorized System and for use in combination with a NXP Product," > > If I read it correctly, the firmware cannot life in such a repository, since > the repository is used by different machines. Is my interpretation correct? I'm no expert and am not providing legal advice. I see there is some roughly similar (but a little weaker-sounding) language in some existing linux-firmware licenses. e.g., "permitted solely operating in conjunction with <company> authorized products". I also see the linux-firmware README only says: Your commit **must** contain a `Signed-Off-By:` from someone authoritative on the licensing of the firmware in question (i.e. from within the company that owns the code). I take that to mean that linux-firmware doesn't really try to own the licensing rules. They defer to the company that owns the IP. So if NXP wants to submit things to linux-firmware (or "sign off" and hand it to someone else), they might be able to do so. YMMV if you're not an NXP employee though. Brian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [EXT] Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git 2026-09-25 16:27 ` Brian Norris @ 2026-09-26 7:00 ` Andreas Kemnade 2026-09-28 17:54 ` Brian Norris 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Andreas Kemnade @ 2026-09-26 7:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Brian Norris Cc: David Lin, Francesco Dolcini, Neeraj Sanjay Kale, Tamás Szűcs, linux-firmware@kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, lukas@wunner.de On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:27:35 -0700 Brian Norris <briannorris@chromium.org> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2026 at 04:58:14PM +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > > The License terms have in 2.3(b): > > "(b) to copy and distribute as needed, solely in connection with an > > Authorized System and for use in combination with a NXP Product," > > > > If I read it correctly, the firmware cannot life in such a repository, since > > the repository is used by different machines. Is my interpretation correct? re-establishing context again: "such a repository" means that fw packages as e.g. alpine packages and then put into the official alpine repositiory. > > I'm no expert and am not providing legal advice. > I am not either, but there are NXP people in CC hoping to say something more official or finally un-stall this issue. > I see there is some roughly similar (but a little weaker-soundging) > language in some existing linux-firmware licenses. e.g., "permitted > solely operating in conjunction with <company> authorized products". > Often it is restricting *use* not *distribution*. > I also see the linux-firmware README only says: > > Your commit **must** contain a `Signed-Off-By:` from someone authoritative on > the licensing of the firmware in question (i.e. from within the company > that owns the code). > > I take that to mean that linux-firmware doesn't really try to own the > licensing rules. They defer to the company that owns the IP. > There are rules what licenses might forbid and what not in LICENSE-CRITERIA.md. At least submitting it to the firmware repo (so from NXP sight a third party repo) sounds like some permission for distribution. Regards, Andreas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [EXT] Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git 2026-09-26 7:00 ` Andreas Kemnade @ 2026-09-28 17:54 ` Brian Norris 2026-09-29 13:43 ` Andreas Kemnade 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Brian Norris @ 2026-09-28 17:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andreas Kemnade Cc: David Lin, Francesco Dolcini, Neeraj Sanjay Kale, Tamás Szűcs, linux-firmware@kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, lukas@wunner.de On Sat, Sep 26, 2026 at 09:00:26AM +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > There are rules what licenses might forbid and what not in LICENSE-CRITERIA.md. Ohhh, nice. I was looking for exactly such a file, but I was looking at a too-old copy of linux-firmware.git -- that seems to have appeared in the last few months. > At least submitting it to the firmware repo (so from NXP sight a third > party repo) sounds like some permission for distribution. Reading that doc: actually, no, that doc seems to suggest otherwise. It specifically delineates various "terms that will cause rejection", and it seems the current NXP license triggers several of those. NXP would almost certainly need to provide an updated license, not just a sign-off with their existing license. This seems entirely up to NXP to unblock. If they want to work within the open source community, then they need to learn to work with the rules of that community. Brian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [EXT] Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git 2026-09-28 17:54 ` Brian Norris @ 2026-09-29 13:43 ` Andreas Kemnade 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Andreas Kemnade @ 2026-09-29 13:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Brian Norris Cc: David Lin, Francesco Dolcini, Neeraj Sanjay Kale, Tamás Szűcs, linux-firmware@kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, lukas@wunner.de On Mon, 28 Sep 2026 10:54:54 -0700 Brian Norris <briannorris@chromium.org> wrote: > On Sat, Sep 26, 2026 at 09:00:26AM +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > > There are rules what licenses might forbid and what not in LICENSE-CRITERIA.md. > > Ohhh, nice. I was looking for exactly such a file, but I was looking at > a too-old copy of linux-firmware.git -- that seems to have appeared in > the last few months. > > > At least submitting it to the firmware repo (so from NXP sight a third > > party repo) sounds like some permission for distribution. > > Reading that doc: actually, no, that doc seems to suggest otherwise. It Maybe I was a bit unclear here. If it is submitted and accepted it feels like some more safety. > specifically delineates various "terms that will cause rejection", and > it seems the current NXP license triggers several of those. NXP would > almost certainly need to provide an updated license, not just a sign-off > with their existing license. > There are two licenses there: The one in the linux-firmware git repo and the one in NXP's own firmware repo. But both would probably cause rejection nowadays. > This seems entirely up to NXP to unblock. If they want to work within > the open source community, then they need to learn to work with the > rules of that community. > Yes, the only thing others could do is to nag them about it. Regards, Andreas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [EXT] Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git 2024-06-12 2:17 ` [EXT] " David Lin 2024-06-12 6:47 ` Francesco Dolcini @ 2024-06-12 7:40 ` Andreas Kemnade 2024-06-14 5:42 ` Neeraj Sanjay Kale 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Andreas Kemnade @ 2024-06-12 7:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Lin Cc: Francesco Dolcini, Neeraj Sanjay Kale, Tamás Szűcs, linux-firmware@kernel.org, briannorris@chromium.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, lukas@wunner.de On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 02:17:46 +0000 David Lin <yu-hao.lin@nxp.com> wrote: > > From: Francesco Dolcini <francesco@dolcini.it> > > Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2024 6:19 PM > > To: Andreas Kemnade <andreas@kemnade.info>; David Lin > > <yu-hao.lin@nxp.com>; Neeraj Sanjay Kale <neeraj.sanjaykale@nxp.com> > > Cc: Tamás Szűcs <tszucs@protonmail.ch>; linux-firmware@kernel.org; > > briannorris@chromium.org; francesco@dolcini.it; > > linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org; lukas@wunner.de > > Subject: [EXT] Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the > > firmware git > > > > Caution: This is an external email. Please take care when clicking links or > > opening attachments. When in doubt, report the message using the 'Report > > this email' button > > > > > > +Neeraj > > > > Hello David, hello Neeraj > > > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2024 at 05:47:09PM +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > > > But that is all legalese and I am not a lawyer... Best is of course > > > something officially added from NXP. No idea if it can be done > > > otherwise. How to make NXP add something? > > > > Would it be possible for you to get these firmware files added to the official > > linux-firmware git repo? > > > > I am not using sd8987 myself, from what I read in the thread probably some > > file name would need to be corrected (I would say in the mwifiex driver). > > > > Thanks, > > Francesco > > I am not responsible for firmware release. > > You can get updated firmware from https://github.com/nxp-imx/imx-firmware/. > > Normally the firmware will be merged to NXP Yocto project. > yes, I think most of us are aware of this. So what is the problem: E.g. I have bought a new device, ported a linux distro to it, ok, for my personal use, I can just download the firmware from mentioned link. So now I want to pave the road for others so that wifi "just works" So the question is about redistributing the firmware: Citing License: "(b) to copy and distribute as needed, solely in connection with an Authorized System and for use in combination with a NXP Product, non-confidential NXP information provided as part of the Licensed Software for the purpose of maintaining and supporting Authorized Systems with which the Licensed Software is integrated." to me it looks like the firmware might not allowed to be part of a linux distribution if that linux distribution is not just for one device. So an official permission to do so is really helpful. The most clearest thing would be an addition of the files to the official linux firmware repo (git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git) by some NXP people. Regards, Andreas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: mwifiex firmware mrvl/sd8987_uapsta.bin missing in the firmware git 2024-06-12 7:40 ` Andreas Kemnade @ 2024-06-14 5:42 ` Neeraj Sanjay Kale 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Neeraj Sanjay Kale @ 2024-06-14 5:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Francesco Dolcini Cc: Tamás Szűcs, linux-firmware@kernel.org, briannorris@chromium.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, lukas@wunner.de, Andreas Kemnade, David Lin, Pushkar Sudame, Pete Hsieh, Amitkumar Karwar, Pankaj Razdan ++ Pushkar, Pete, Amit, Pankaj in CC Hi Francesco, I am not responsible for mwifiex or wifi firmware aspects, but I have forwarded this query internally within NXP and added few stakeholders in CC who can comment in this regards. Thanks, Neeraj > > > Hello David, hello Neeraj > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2024 at 05:47:09PM +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > > > > But that is all legalese and I am not a lawyer... Best is of > > > > course something officially added from NXP. No idea if it can be > > > > done otherwise. How to make NXP add something? > > > > > > Would it be possible for you to get these firmware files added to > > > the official linux-firmware git repo? > > > > > > I am not using sd8987 myself, from what I read in the thread > > > probably some file name would need to be corrected (I would say in the > mwifiex driver). > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Francesco > > > > I am not responsible for firmware release. > > > > You can get updated firmware from > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub. > com%2Fnxp-imx%2Fimx- > firmware%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cneeraj.sanjaykale%40nxp.com%7Cf6a593f3 > 0cbd4db4c25708dc8ab2e6c3%7C686ea1d3bc2b4c6fa92cd99c5c301635%7C0 > %7C0%7C638537748179838808%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC > 4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C40000 > %7C%7C%7C&sdata=3VpeUrG20NMjgFHNaN32m11zeyBobUX%2BBoeipSEUnz > s%3D&reserved=0. > > > > Normally the firmware will be merged to NXP Yocto project. > > > yes, I think most of us are aware of this. > So what is the problem: E.g. I have bought a new device, ported a linux distro > to it, ok, for my personal use, I can just download the firmware from > mentioned link. So now I want to pave the road for others so that wifi "just > works" So the question is about redistributing the firmware: > > Citing License: > "(b) to copy and distribute as needed, solely in connection with an > Authorized System and for use in combination with a NXP Product, non- > confidential NXP information provided as part of the Licensed Software for the > purpose of maintaining and supporting Authorized Systems with which the > Licensed Software is integrated." > > to me it looks like the firmware might not allowed to be part of a linux > distribution if that linux distribution is not just for one device. > So an official permission to do so is really helpful. The most clearest thing > would be an addition of the files to the official linux firmware repo > (git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git) > by some NXP people. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
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