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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
To: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	cem@kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux-Fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [QUESTION] xfs, iomap: Handle writeback errors to prevent silent data corruption
Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 21:25:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250529042550.GB8328@frogsfrogsfrogs> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALOAHbDm7-byF8DCg1JH5rb4Yi8FBtrsicojrPvYq8AND=e6hQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 10:50:01AM +0800, Yafang Shao wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Recently, we encountered data loss when using XFS on an HDD with bad
> blocks. After investigation, we determined that the issue was related
> to writeback errors. The details are as follows:
> 
> 1. Process-A writes data to a file using buffered I/O and completes
> without errors.
> 2. However, during the writeback of the dirtied pagecache pages, an
> I/O error occurs, causing the data to fail to reach the disk.
> 3. Later, the pagecache pages may be reclaimed due to memory pressure,
> since they are already clean pages.
> 4. When Process-B reads the same file, it retrieves zeroed data from
> the bad blocks, as the original data was never successfully written
> (IOMAP_UNWRITTEN).
> 
> We reviewed the related discussion [0] and confirmed that this is a
> known writeback error issue. While using fsync() after buffered
> write() could mitigate the problem, this approach is impractical for
> our services.
> 
> Instead, we propose introducing configurable options to notify users
> of writeback errors immediately and prevent further operations on
> affected files or disks. Possible solutions include:
> 
> - Option A: Immediately shut down the filesystem upon writeback errors.
> - Option B: Mark the affected file as inaccessible if a writeback error occurs.
> 
> These options could be controlled via mount options or sysfs
> configurations. Both solutions would be preferable to silently
> returning corrupted data, as they ensure users are aware of disk
> issues and can take corrective action.
> 
> Any suggestions ?

Option C: report all those write errors (direct and buffered) to a
daemon and let it figure out what it wants to do:

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/djwong/xfs-linux.git/log/?h=health-monitoring_2025-05-21
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/djwong/xfsprogs-dev.git/log/?h=health-monitoring-rust_2025-05-21

Yes this is a long term option since it involves adding upcalls from the
pagecache/vfs into the filesystem and out through even more XFS code,
which has to go through its usual rigorous reviews.

But if there's interest then I could move up the timeline on submitting
those since I wasn't going to do much with any of that until 2026.

--D

> [0] https://lwn.net/Articles/724307/
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> Yafang

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-29  4:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-29  2:50 [QUESTION] xfs, iomap: Handle writeback errors to prevent silent data corruption Yafang Shao
2025-05-29  4:25 ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2025-05-29  5:55   ` Yafang Shao
2025-05-30  5:17   ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-30 15:38     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-05-31 23:02       ` Dave Chinner
2025-06-03  0:03         ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-06 10:43           ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-12  3:43             ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-12  6:29               ` Amir Goldstein
2025-07-02 18:41                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-02  5:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-03 14:35     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-03 14:38       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-05-29  4:36 ` Dave Chinner
2025-05-29  6:04   ` Yafang Shao
2025-06-02  5:38   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-02 23:19     ` Dave Chinner
2025-06-03  4:50       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-03 22:05         ` Dave Chinner
2025-06-04  6:33           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-05  2:18             ` Dave Chinner
2025-06-05  4:51               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-02  5:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-03  3:03   ` Yafang Shao
2025-06-03  3:13     ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-06-03  3:21       ` Yafang Shao
2025-06-03  3:26         ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-06-03  3:50           ` Yafang Shao
2025-06-03  4:40             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-03  5:17               ` Damien Le Moal
2025-06-03  5:54                 ` Yafang Shao
2025-06-03  6:36                   ` Damien Le Moal
2025-06-03 14:41                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-03 14:57                       ` James Bottomley
2025-06-04  7:29                         ` Damien Le Moal

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