about automated emails from ppclinux@sourceforge.net

about automated emails from ppclinux@sourceforge.net

[Takashi Oe]

Hi,

I was wondering if you or somebody responsible for the sourceforge site
could reconsider about how "bug" reports and whatnot are fed to
linuxppc-dev mailing list.

I would much rather prefer if the person who actually submitted the bug
report to (or changed the status at) the sourceforge site would CC this
list in person.

The autofeed does not show how we may possibly inquire further on the
report itself.  For example, the last report about parted requiring reboot
or something seemed like more of a generic Linux issue or just that the
app is broken, and I may perhaps want to ask for details.  Then, who
should I send the question to?  [Ok, I can find your email address and
others' if I work at it, but that's not my point.]

If anything, is it possible to stop the autofeed now and instead to
encourage whoever uses the site to CC their words to linuxppc-dev?


Regards,

Takashi Oe


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Re: about automated emails from ppclinux@sourceforge.net

[Hollis R Blanchard]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2001, Takashi Oe wrote:
>
> The autofeed does not show how we may possibly inquire further on the
> report itself.  For example, the last report about parted requiring reboot
> or something seemed like more of a generic Linux issue or just that the
> app is broken, and I may perhaps want to ask for details.  Then, who
> should I send the question to?  [Ok, I can find your email address and
> others' if I work at it, but that's not my point.]
>
> If anything, is it possible to stop the autofeed now and instead to
> encourage whoever uses the site to CC their words to linuxppc-dev?

I just visited the URL
(https://sourceforge.net/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=131861&group_id=8234) and
typed in the note.

It was more meant for Tom than general discussion, but while that seems like
the right place for concise bits of infomation, I agree that general
(long-winded) discussion about bugs makes more sense on lppc-dev...

-Hollis


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Re: about automated emails from ppclinux@sourceforge.net

[Tom Gall]

Takashi Oe wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if you or somebody responsible for the sourceforge site
> could reconsider about how "bug" reports and whatnot are fed to
> linuxppc-dev mailing list.

Hi Takashi,

  If you are on the dev list I would hope you are interested in bug
reports. This forwarding has been in place since last year so folks
could keep in tune with the SourceForge site.

> I would much rather prefer if the person who actually submitted the bug
> report to (or changed the status at) the sourceforge site would CC this
> list in person.

  I disagree. Newbies don't necessary know about the linuxppc-dev list
much less the commit list much less where folks hang out in IRC etc etc.
People who take the time to test and post bug reports are valueable!
Sure not every bug is a real problem but that's the life of a developer.

> The autofeed does not show how we may possibly inquire further on the
> report itself.  For example, the last report about parted requiring reboot
> or something seemed like more of a generic Linux issue or just that the
> app is broken, and I may perhaps want to ask for details.  Then, who
> should I send the question to?  [Ok, I can find your email address and
> others' if I work at it, but that's not my point.]

  At the VERY bottom of the bug report is a link that you can click on
to get more information about the bug. From there you can get the sf id
of the people involved in the bugs report and fix. Recall that
sourceforge user ids are email addresses.

  so userid@users.sourceforge.net  as an example.

> If anything, is it possible to stop the autofeed now and instead to
> encourage whoever uses the site to CC their words to linuxppc-dev?

  Sourceforge doesn't have that feature. You can't cc a bug report
somewhere. But that's not to say that those kinds of options couldn't be
added. I know some of the VA Linux guys... sounds like a good
suggestion.

  At the moment I am against stopping the auto feed as then folks who
are not monitoring the sourceforge site miss out on both new bugs as
well as fixes to current bugs.

  Completely cutting off the flow of information to me isn't the answer.

--
Regards,

Tom

--------------------------------------------------------------
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gall@rochcivictheatre.org    my brain IBM" -- Mr Roboto, Styxx
tom_gall@vnet.ibm.com

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Re: about automated emails from ppclinux@sourceforge.net

[Takashi Oe]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2001, Tom Gall wrote:

>   If you are on the dev list I would hope you are interested in bug
> reports. This forwarding has been in place since last year so folks
> could keep in tune with the SourceForge site.

Yes, I do care about bug reports.  As I said, I do not like the way things
are fed to the linuxppc-dev list.

[...]
>   I disagree. Newbies don't necessary know about the linuxppc-dev list
> much less the commit list much less where folks hang out in IRC etc etc.
> People who take the time to test and post bug reports are valueable!
> Sure not every bug is a real problem but that's the life of a developer.

I have absolutely no argument against your idea of newbies and bug
reports.  I assumed those were well understood, already.

[...]
>   At the VERY bottom of the bug report is a link that you can click on
> to get more information about the bug.

Sorry, my machine does not work well with sourceforge, and it usually
takes a few minutes or much longer for a page of sourceforge to load in
readable form.  I wish to just reply to the bug report via email to get
more detail or to give some suggestions to whoever posted the message
without invoking a web browser because the bug report came through email.
That way seems natural to me.

[...]
>   so userid@users.sourceforge.net  as an example.

As I recall (perhaps incorrectly), having userid@users.sourceforge.net as
an alias to one's email address was not automatic when I signed up last
year.  Is it now the case that everyone who signs up for sourceforge.net
(automatically) supplies a valid email address for the
userid@users.sourceforge.net thing and the alias is active by default?  If
so, ok, fine then.  I hate to get bounces when I spend a substantial
amount of time composing whatever I have to say.

[...]
>   Completely cutting off the flow of information to me isn't the answer.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Strong language.  That has never been my intention.  From your point of
view, the autofeed is convenient for everybody.  I'm only saying that it's
not convenient for me.  I'm lazy, and I want to hit a reply button (or
delete button) and be done with it.


Regards,

Takashi Oe


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Re: about automated emails from ppclinux@sourceforge.net

[Michael Schmitz]

> >
> > I was wondering if you or somebody responsible for the sourceforge site
> > could reconsider about how "bug" reports and whatnot are fed to
> > linuxppc-dev mailing list.
>
> Hi Takashi,
>
>   If you are on the dev list I would hope you are interested in bug
> reports. This forwarding has been in place since last year so folks
> could keep in tune with the SourceForge site.

Strange - I'm pretty sure I've never seen a bug report of that kind show
up on this list before today. But I'll check my archive.

I'd actually prefer having a linuxppc-bugs list separate from linuxppc-dev
if possible. I'm not against automatic forwards, I'd just keep bug
tracking and discussion separate. For now I'll filter on the Subject:
header to direct these bug reports to a separate folder, but a separate
list would make more sense from my perspective.

Just my 0.02 euro.

	Michael


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