From: Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>
To: paulmck@kernel.org
Cc: Jirka Hladky <jhladky@redhat.com>,
"Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)" <chleroy@kernel.org>,
maddy@linux.ibm.com, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
mpe@ellerman.id.au, npiggin@gmail.com, bigeasy@linutronix.de,
will@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/1] powerpc: enable dynamic preemption
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2026 10:21:26 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3b524463-91de-4034-9478-7dbb5848262b@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c85a1f0a-d702-4470-b2d5-c308805acebb@paulmck-laptop>
Hi Paul,
>> I tried moving to PACA plus splitting 64 bit into need_resched and preempt
>> count. But it doesn;t move the needle. But it maybe worth pursuing,
>> since it could help preemption modes. It needs more work and needs numbers
>> across benchmark.
>>
>>> Thanks for trying. Paul questioned whether barriers are actually
>>> needed for preempt_count, or whether software interrupt disabling
>>> would suffice (his words: "I can see why the preempt_count()
>>> operations need to be interrupt-safe, but I don't see why you would
>>> need barriers"). Any thoughts on whether that's feasible for
>>> powerpc?
>>
>> Barrier are likely not the concern as it is mostly nop.
>> Also, soft disabling interrupts needs to arch specific hooks to setup
>> before preempt_disable and replay interrupts after preempt_enable.
>> I don't think it would benefit since interrupt disabling during this likely
>> shouldn't happen. Maybe I don't understand how that could work.
>
> For some reason, I remembered powerpc software-disabling interrupts,
> but when I go look now, there is no such thing. Maybe powerpc used to
> but no longer does. Or maybe I am just hallucinating. ;-)
>
> Thanx, Paul
It is there still,
static inline unsigned long arch_local_irq_save(void)
{
return irq_soft_mask_or_return(IRQS_DISABLED);
}
Sets the softmask bit, and any interrupt that arrives,
gets added to a list and that will be replayed in arch_local_irq_restore.
That will protect against the race of irq vs preempt count in
__preempt_count_dec_and_test. In the PACA based PoC i have i tried to use it,
but it doesn't make a difference, since this particular test accounts mainly
preempt count overhead itself, which cannot be escaped in dynamic preemption.
So, I think this is the tax we got to live with for dynamic preemption on RISC archs.
But good thing is, its effect is limited to a very few microbenchmarks.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-03 4:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-10 18:43 [PATCH v4 0/1] powerpc: Enable dynamic preemption Shrikanth Hegde
2025-02-10 18:43 ` [PATCH v4 1/1] powerpc: enable " Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-26 18:33 ` Jirka Hladky
2026-07-27 4:18 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-27 10:13 ` Jirka Hladky
2026-07-27 10:28 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-27 10:35 ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2026-07-27 16:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-27 10:59 ` Jirka Hladky
2026-07-27 11:03 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-27 12:34 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-27 16:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-27 16:50 ` Jirka Hladky
2026-07-27 17:10 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-27 18:29 ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2026-07-28 5:27 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-28 16:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-28 16:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-30 13:01 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-30 14:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-28 0:26 ` Jirka Hladky
2026-07-28 5:11 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-28 14:19 ` Jirka Hladky
2026-07-30 6:44 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-30 12:08 ` Jirka Hladky
2026-07-30 14:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-30 15:08 ` Jirka Hladky
2026-07-30 16:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-30 17:10 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-30 17:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-30 18:40 ` Segher Boessenkool
2026-07-31 4:59 ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2026-07-31 5:03 ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2026-07-31 7:18 ` Jirka Hladky
2026-07-31 8:02 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-31 13:50 ` Jirka Hladky
2026-07-31 17:57 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-07-31 18:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-03 4:51 ` Shrikanth Hegde [this message]
2026-08-03 15:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
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