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From: Andy Pfiffer <andyp@osdl.org>
To: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Suparna Bhattacharya <suparna@in.ibm.com>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	"Matt D. Robinson" <yakker@aparity.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lkcd-general@lists.sourceforge.net,
	lkcd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over.
Date: 05 Nov 2002 16:21:44 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1036542104.2749.197.camel@andyp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021105161902.I1408@almesberger.net>

On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 11:19, Werner Almesberger wrote:
> Alan Cox wrote:
> > Let me ask the same dumb question - what does kexec need that a dumper
> > doesn't.
> 
> kexec needs:
>  - a system call to set it up
>  - a way to silence devices <snip>
<snip>
>  - a bit of glue <snip>
>  - device drivers that can bring silent devices back to life
<snip>

> > In other words given reboot/trap hooks can kexec happily live
> > as a standalone module ?

You could probably skip the system call to set it up.  Example: I could
imagine a bizarre set of pseudo-devices:

	# insmod kexec
	# cat bzImage > /proc/kexec/next-image
	# echo "root=805" > /proc/kexec/next-cmndline
	# echo 1 > /proc/kexec/reboot

and hide away that dirty little sequence with a nice kexec(3) library
routine.

The Two Kernel Monte trick (that rewrote when insmod'ed the kernel's
function pointers for sys_reboot) was also effective, but that
apparently isn't an option any longer.


> What kexec needs now is more exposure, so that the BIOS
> compatibility issues get noticed and fixed, it is ported to other
> architectures, and that more people can start figuring out how to
> use it, and how to build a boot environment.

I'll 2nd that sentiment, and add another big one: fixing (apparent)
problems with drivers and chipset-munging code, so that devices can be
reliably re-probed/re-inited/etc. after the reboot.

Long term, I think it would be advantageous to be able to avoid SCSI and
other time consuming device probes for the common and simple reboot case
of 1) the currently running kernel is being rebooted, and 2) no changes
to the device configuration have occured.  Shouldn't we be able to "save
away" what is in sysfs, and then re-inject that state after a fast
reboot?

Andy



  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-11-06  0:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 333+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-31  2:07 What's left over Rusty Russell
2002-10-31  2:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31  2:43   ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 16:36     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-10-31 17:04       ` Stephen Frost
2002-10-31 17:38       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 18:00         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-11-06 20:52           ` Florian Weimer
2002-10-31 22:57     ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-31 22:28       ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-31 23:08         ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-01  9:55         ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2002-10-31  3:00   ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-31  3:19     ` tridge
2002-10-31  6:21       ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-11-05  3:38         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2002-10-31  3:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-31  3:31       ` tridge
2002-10-31 10:15     ` Joe Thornber
2002-10-31 14:26       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-31 14:55         ` Alan Cox
2002-10-31 21:14       ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-01  8:20         ` Joe Thornber
2002-10-31 11:03     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-10-31 21:17       ` James Simmons
2002-10-31  3:06   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-31  3:19     ` Stephen Frost
2002-10-31 21:09       ` john stultz
2002-10-31 21:49         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-31 22:32           ` john stultz
2002-10-31 22:54             ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-01  0:54               ` john stultz
2002-11-01  1:31                 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05  3:58                 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2002-10-31  6:22     ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-10-31  6:48       ` Dax Kelson
2002-10-31  6:56         ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-10-31 14:31           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-31 18:12             ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-10-31 18:49               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 19:43                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-11-01 15:25                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-01 15:35                     ` bert hubert
2002-11-01 15:50                     ` Gerald Britton
2002-11-01 18:17                       ` Matt Porter
2002-11-01 16:15                     ` Michael Clark
2002-11-01 16:16                     ` Erik Andersen
2002-11-01 20:43                     ` romieu
2002-10-31 18:28           ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-31 18:58             ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 19:14               ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-31 19:20             ` Alan Cox
2002-10-31 19:17               ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-31 20:45               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-11-01  6:00               ` James Morris
2002-10-31  7:10         ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31  7:21           ` Dax Kelson
2002-10-31  7:42             ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 16:24               ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2002-10-31 16:44                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 17:11                   ` Stephen Frost
2002-10-31 17:30                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-31 17:39                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 17:36                   ` Richard Gooch
2002-11-02 17:35               ` LA Walsh
2002-11-02 20:44                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-10-31 22:53           ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-31  9:44     ` Lech Szychowski
2002-10-31  3:14   ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-10-31 16:00     ` LTT for inclusion into 2.5 bob
2002-10-31 16:19       ` Is your idea good? [was: Re: LTT for inclusion into 2.5] Larry McVoy
2002-10-31 16:38         ` Cort Dougan
2002-10-31 16:47         ` bob
2002-10-31 17:35         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-10-31  3:21   ` What's left over Stephen Lord
2002-10-31  3:59   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-31  4:20   ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-10-31  4:25     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-31  4:31       ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-10-31  5:13   ` Dax Kelson
2002-10-31  6:07   ` [PATCH] kexec for 2.5.45 Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-31  6:25   ` What's left over Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-31 15:46     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 17:10       ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-10-31 17:13       ` Michael Shuey
2002-10-31 19:04         ` Alan Cox
2002-10-31 19:42           ` Michael Shuey
2002-11-01 22:25           ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-02 13:30             ` Michael Shuey
2002-10-31 17:18       ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-31 17:25         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 17:54           ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-31 17:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 18:21               ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-10-31 18:31               ` John Alvord
2002-11-02 23:44             ` Horst von Brand
2002-11-03  1:14               ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-31 18:10           ` Chris Friesen
2002-10-31 18:22             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 20:59               ` Dave Anderson
2002-10-31 21:49                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-11-01  1:25                 ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-01  6:34               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-01 13:26                 ` Alan Cox
2002-11-01 19:00                   ` Joel Becker
2002-11-01 19:18                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-01 20:06                       ` Steven King
2002-11-02  5:17                         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-02  5:36                           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-11-03 14:08                             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-02 15:29                           ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03  1:24                             ` [lkcd-general] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-03  1:49                               ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03  9:34                                 ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-03 14:33                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-03 15:34                                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-11-03 16:32                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-11-03 17:08                                     ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-05 18:07                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-03  3:10                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-11-01 20:21                       ` David Lang
2002-11-01 22:25                         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-01 22:42                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-11-01 22:54                             ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-01 23:10                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-11-01 20:22                       ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-02 13:02                         ` Kai Henningsen
2002-11-01 20:37                       ` Hugh Dickins
2002-11-02 18:23                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-11-03  2:25                         ` Horst von Brand
2002-11-04 16:18                           ` Hugh Dickins
2002-11-03 13:48                   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-03 14:26                     ` yodaiken
2002-11-05 17:09                       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-05 17:36                         ` yodaiken
2002-11-04  2:44                     ` [lkcd-general] " Jennie Haywood
2002-11-04 14:45                       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-04 15:29                         ` Alan Cox
2002-11-04 15:27                           ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-04 15:38                             ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-04 16:51                               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-05  4:57                         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-31 18:50             ` Alan Cox
2002-10-31 21:33             ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-01  1:19               ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-01  2:59                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-31 18:15           ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-31 19:58             ` Bernhard Kaindl
2002-11-02  0:49             ` What's left over. - Dave's crash code supports a gdb interface for LKCD crash dumps Piet Delaney
2002-10-31 18:16           ` What's left over Oliver Xymoron
2002-10-31 18:26             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 18:49           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-31 21:02           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-31 22:37             ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05 11:42               ` [lkcd-devel] " Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-05 18:00                 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05 18:36                   ` Alan Cox
2002-11-05 19:19                     ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05 20:10                       ` Alan Cox
2002-11-05 23:25                         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-06  0:21                       ` Andy Pfiffer [this message]
2002-11-06  1:10                         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-06  1:37                           ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-06  2:05                             ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-07  6:04                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-07 12:17                                 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-06  4:07                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-06  4:47                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-06 19:24                               ` Rob Landley
2002-11-10 18:35                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-06  2:48                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-06  4:29                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-06  6:25                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-06  6:38                         ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-06  7:48                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-06  9:11                           ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-06 22:05                           ` Michal Jaegermann
2002-11-06 16:13                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-07  8:50                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-07 15:44                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-09 23:05                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-09 23:33                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-10  1:37                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10  2:12                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-11-10  2:16                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10  3:03                                       ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-10  3:23                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 14:30                                       ` Alan Cox
2002-11-10 16:56                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10  3:17                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-10  4:26                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 18:07                                     ` Kexec 2.5.46-b6 Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-11 18:03                                     ` [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-11 18:15                                     ` Kexec for v2.5.47 Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-11 22:52                                       ` Kexec for v2.5.47 (test feedback) Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-12  7:22                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-13  0:48                                           ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-13  4:16                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-13 13:26                                             ` Kexec for v2.5.47-bk2 Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-15  9:24                                               ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-15 14:14                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-15 14:37                                                 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-20  9:44                                                   ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-20 17:28                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-18  0:07                                             ` [ANNOUNCE] kexec-tools-1.6 released Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-18  5:46                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-18  8:53                                                 ` [ANNOUNCE][CFT] kexec for v2.5.48 && kexec-tools-1.7 Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19  1:10                                                   ` [ANNOUNCE][CFT] kexec for v2.5.48 && kexec-tools-1.7 -- Success Story! Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-19 10:25                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 17:21                                                       ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-19 17:34                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 18:17                                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-11-20  9:19                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 19:29                                                           ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-20  8:49                                                     ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-20  9:17                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-20 11:59                                                         ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-11-20 15:05                                                         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-20 16:48                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19  2:15                                                   ` [ANNOUNCE][CFT] kexec for v2.5.48 && kexec-tools-1.7 Dave Hansen
2002-11-19 10:13                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 15:28                                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-11-19 17:44                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 16:24                                                       ` Dave Hansen
2002-11-19 17:33                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-19 17:48                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-19 17:54                                                             ` Dave Jones
2002-11-19 17:42                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-12-02  4:41                                                   ` [ANNOUNCE] kexec-tools-1.8 Eric W. Biederman
2002-12-03  2:30                                                     ` Dave Hansen
2002-12-03  7:35                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-12-13  2:00                                                         ` Dave Hansen
2002-12-02 15:54                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-09 23:39                               ` [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over Randy.Dunlap
2002-11-10  2:58                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 14:35                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-11-10 18:13                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10  1:31                               ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-10  3:10                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10  3:30                                   ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-10  3:49                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10  3:49                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-10  2:08                               ` Alan Cox
2002-11-10  2:18                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-10 14:31                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-11-07 15:48                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-07 19:32                           ` kexec (was: [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over.) Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-07 22:13                             ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-07 22:56                               ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-11 17:03                             ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found]                             ` <200211080536.31287.landley@trommello.org>
2002-11-11 17:58                               ` Andy Pfiffer
2002-11-11 18:25                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-08 18:01                           ` [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over Alan Cox
2002-11-09 21:21                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-11-11 16:27                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-01  1:35             ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-01  2:06               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-11-01  3:46                 ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-01  4:45                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-01  4:57                     ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-01  9:18                       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-01 14:55                         ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-01 15:16                           ` Alexander Viro
2002-11-01 15:27                             ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-01 16:16                             ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-01 16:32                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-11-01 16:44                                 ` Linux without Linus was " Brian Jackson
2002-11-01 16:58                                   ` Paul Fulghum
2002-11-01 19:14                                 ` Shawn
2002-11-01 19:36                                   ` Shawn
2002-11-01 17:56                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-11-01 18:23                               ` Shane R. Stixrud
2002-11-01 19:18                                 ` John Alvord
2002-11-04  2:13                               ` Rob Landley
2002-11-04 14:58                                 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-04 12:59                                   ` Rob Landley
2002-11-01 15:32                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-11-01 13:30             ` Alan Cox
2002-11-01 22:28               ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-01  6:27           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-01  6:36             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-01  7:00               ` [lkcd-devel] " Castor Fu
2002-11-01  8:23               ` Craig I. Hagan
2002-11-01 14:03                 ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-11-02  4:57                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-01 13:28               ` Alan Cox
2002-11-02  5:00                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-11-02 15:30                   ` Alan Cox
2002-11-02 18:55                   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-11-02 19:19                     ` romieu
2002-11-02 19:21                       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-11-02 19:32                         ` romieu
2002-11-02 19:42                           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-11-02 20:23                             ` romieu
2002-11-02 20:31                     ` Alan Cox
2002-11-02 20:12                       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-11-01  9:20             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-01 13:29             ` Alan Cox
2002-10-31 22:20         ` Shawn
2002-10-31 23:14           ` [lkcd-general] " Bernhard Kaindl
2002-11-01  2:01           ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-11-02 10:36             ` Brad Hards
2002-11-02 19:28               ` [lkcd-devel] " Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-31 17:55       ` [lkcd-general] " Dave Craft
2002-10-31 18:45         ` Patrick Mochel
2002-10-31 19:16           ` Stephen Hemminger
2002-10-31 19:57             ` george anzinger
2002-10-31 20:48               ` Stephen Hemminger
2002-10-31 19:33       ` [lkcd-devel] " Castor Fu
2002-10-31  7:46   ` Ville Herva
2002-10-31  9:23     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-10-31  9:39       ` Ville Herva
2002-10-31 10:16   ` Trever L. Adams
2002-10-31 18:08     ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-31 13:36   ` mbs
2002-10-31 14:21   ` Chris Friesen
2002-10-31 14:52   ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2002-10-31 16:37   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-11-01  0:52   ` James Simmons
2002-11-01 10:24   ` What's left over. (Fbdev rewrite) Helge Hafting
2002-11-05 17:29 ` kexec (was: Re: What's left over.) Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05 18:10   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-11-05 19:06   ` Martin J. Bligh
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-10-31 18:17 [lkcd-devel] Re: What's left over Deepak Kumar Gupta, Noida
2002-10-31 20:22 Andreas Herrmann
2002-10-31 20:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-31 20:54   ` Patrick Finnegan
2002-10-31 21:08   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-31 22:04     ` Bernhard Kaindl
2002-11-01  0:33       ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-31 22:47 Richard J Moore
2002-10-31 23:39 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-05 12:45   ` Suparna Bhattacharya

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