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From: Albert Cahalan <albert@users.sf.net>
To: schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de
Cc: linux-kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices
Date: 07 Aug 2004 15:53:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1091908405.5759.49.camel@cube> (raw)

> 5) Take a look at /etc/path_to_inst and call "man path_to_inst"
>
> The used method even works nicely for USB devices.

OK, I took a look.

Solaris is mapping from devfs to dev_t with this file.
You start with a device patch like this:
    /iommu@f,e0000000/sbus@f,e0001000/sbusmem@f,0
It maps to a driver name and instance number:
    sbusmem   15
The driver name implys the major number. (in a dev_t)
The instance number is, more or less, the minor number.

Linux does something like this too now, using "udev"
and the rest of the hotplug stuff. Linux is better.
Linux lets you map from most any device attribute
(bus, serial number, vendor, scsi level, speed...)
to a device name.

Oh, the dev_t value? That's becoming a random number.
Users don't need it, and shouldn't have to deal with it.
They have the device name. Bus numbers are random too.

So let's suppose I plug in two FireWire CD burners.
The Que!Fire one is mapped to /dev/quefire-cdrw,
and the Sony one is mapped to /dev/sony-cdrw. The
device numbers will vary, as will any bus numbers,
but the users don't care. They have nice names.

Suppose I kick the FireWire cable loose. The device
nodes in /dev go away. Then I plug the cable back in,
and new device nodes appear. The numbers might change!
No matter what the numbers though, the drives always
get the names that I have assigned to them.

Before I kick the cable loose:

dev=0,0,1  matches with  /dev/quefire-cdrw
dev=0,0,2  matches with  /dev/sony-cdrw

After I plug the cable back in:

dev=0,0,0  matches with  /dev/quefire-cdrw
dev=0,0,1  matches with  /dev/sony-cdrw

Everything's cool for apps that use device names.
Only cdrecord will try to access the wrong device.

I'm sure this dynamic world isn't appealing to you.
People do kick cables loose though, and they do like
having nice device names. The days of jumpers are
long gone. Plug-and-play is here to stay, even while
the machine is running. CAM-based operating systems
will have some adjusting to do if they are to survive.

Go ahead and drop support for old Linux kernels.
Users with old kernels can use the old cdrecord.
Handling Linux 2.6.x well means using /dev names.





             reply	other threads:[~2004-08-07 22:25 UTC|newest]

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2004-08-07 19:53 Albert Cahalan [this message]
2004-08-07 23:16 ` PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices Måns Rullgård
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2004-08-21 15:01                   ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-08-21 15:57                     ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-21 21:42                       ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-08-22 11:56                       ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 12:14                         ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 12:52                           ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-22 13:05                             ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 16:38                               ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-22 15:11                           ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-22 18:09                             ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-22 13:13                         ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-08-22 16:00                           ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-22 16:32                             ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 17:18                               ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-22 20:27                               ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-08-22 21:29                               ` Julien Oster
2004-08-23 11:40                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-23 13:15                                   ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-23 18:16                               ` Kai Makisara
2004-08-24 10:22                                 ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-24 15:34                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 16:33                             ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-22 16:19                               ` Alan Cox
2004-08-22 17:31                                 ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-22 20:47                                   ` Alan Cox
2004-08-22 22:17                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-23 12:22                                 ` Adam Sampson
2004-08-22 19:26                             ` Tonnerre
2004-08-23 20:25                               ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-23 21:01                                 ` Doug Maxey
2004-08-25 18:29                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-24  2:22                                 ` Nuno Silva
2004-08-22 21:27                           ` Julien Oster
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-08-13 11:45 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-13 12:21 ` Andreas Schwab
     [not found] <20040812185302.GA18126@suse.de>
2004-08-13  2:39 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-13  5:24   ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-13 13:34     ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-13 13:48       ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-13 23:50         ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-16  6:48           ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-13  6:08   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-16 12:41   ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-16 12:47     ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-16 12:51       ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-16 13:32         ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-17  4:01           ` Kyle Moffett
2004-08-18  0:32             ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-18  5:16               ` Eric Lammerts
2004-08-18 13:43                 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-18 14:02                   ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-12  2:24 Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-12  6:28 ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-12 13:55   ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-12 14:15     ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-12  1:57 Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-12  4:05 ` Andre Tomt
2004-08-16 18:11 ` Tomasz Torcz
2004-08-11 11:44 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 21:48 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 21:33 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-11  7:56 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-11 14:30 ` Brian Beattie
2004-08-10 15:54 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 15:44 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 16:05 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-08-11  8:25   ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-10 18:48 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 15:28 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-11  9:34 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 15:15 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 15:25 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-10 15:36 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-11  2:17 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-08-11 23:05   ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-10 14:27 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 14:49 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 15:24   ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-08-10 15:33     ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 16:29       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-08-10 18:53         ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 19:01         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-08-10 20:29           ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 15:48     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 16:10       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-08-10 16:47         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 16:52           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-08-10 13:21 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 13:05 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 13:03 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 15:00 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-10 15:05   ` Chris Meadors
2004-08-26 15:02     ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-08-26 15:19       ` Chris Meadors
2004-08-10 21:02 ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-08-10 12:47 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 12:57 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-10 12:46 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 12:57 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-10 13:09 ` Xavier Bestel
2004-08-10 13:18 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-08-10 12:45 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 12:57 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-10 13:51 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 12:41 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 13:27 ` Matthias Andree
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2004-08-10 10:27 Joerg Schilling
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2004-08-10 12:46 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-12 22:58   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-10 16:28 ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-11  0:24   ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-11  3:11     ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-11 10:04     ` Florian Schirmer
2004-08-12 23:27       ` Bill Davidsen
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2004-08-10 12:14 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-10 15:02 ` Lenar Lõhmus
     [not found] <200408091338.i79DcauL010369@burner.fokus.fraunhofer.de>
2004-08-09 21:10 ` Con Kolivas
2004-08-09 20:22 Albert Cahalan
2004-08-09 22:59 ` Con Kolivas
2004-08-09 23:25   ` David Lang
2004-08-10  1:01   ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-10  4:47     ` Con Kolivas
2004-08-10  2:51       ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-10  7:02         ` Thomas Zimmerman
2004-08-10  8:20         ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-10 22:59         ` Jan Knutar
2004-08-11  1:09           ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-12 22:34       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-12 23:29         ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-13  7:01           ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10  8:16     ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-10 14:33       ` Lee Revell
2004-08-10 15:04         ` Alan Cox
2004-08-10 16:09           ` Lee Revell
2004-08-11  0:23         ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-11  3:07           ` Lee Revell
2004-08-11  7:28             ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-11  7:34               ` Lee Revell
2004-08-12 22:15   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-10  7:59 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-10  9:42   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-12 22:40     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-12 23:10       ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-10  9:52   ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-10 10:03     ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
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2004-08-09 14:40 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:51 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-09 16:26 ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-09 14:38 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:44 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 14:27 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:31 ` Jens Axboe
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2004-08-09 14:23 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 15:40 ` David Woodhouse
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2004-08-09 14:21 ` Jens Axboe
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2004-08-12 22:10   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-13  2:34     ` Bob Tracy
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2004-08-09 14:08 ` Jens Axboe
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2004-08-10  9:25 ` Matthias Andree
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2004-08-09 14:03 ` Paul Jakma
2004-08-09 11:58 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:32 ` Alan Cox
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2004-08-09 10:42 ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-09 11:46 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 11:53 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 10:33 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 10:39 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-09 10:13 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 10:21 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 12:01   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-09 11:09 ` Con Kolivas
2004-08-09 12:04 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-09 12:12   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 12:06 ` Jesse Stockall
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2004-08-07 17:37 ` V13
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2004-08-08  5:53   ` Linus Torvalds
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2004-08-07 11:19 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-08  4:07 ` Paul Jakma
2004-08-07  0:01 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-07  0:14 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-07 17:26   ` Tim Wright
2004-08-08 21:42     ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-08-12 21:11     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-12 21:10       ` Martin Mares
2004-08-12 22:44       ` Marc Ballarin
2004-08-07  2:11 ` Mark Lord
2004-08-07 22:08 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-07 22:41   ` Alan Cox
2004-08-07 23:19   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-08  2:33     ` Jan Knutar
2004-08-08  7:47       ` David Weinehall
2004-08-08  9:17         ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-06 20:26 Albert Cahalan
2004-08-06 23:35 ` Bernd Schubert
2004-08-06 14:20 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-06 14:25 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-06 14:48 ` Erik Mouw
2004-08-06 13:45 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-06 14:11 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-06 14:16 ` Erik Mouw
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2004-08-06 15:10 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10  8:41   ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-10  8:50     ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 10:11     ` Erik Mouw
2004-08-10 10:12       ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 11:02         ` Erik Mouw
2004-08-10 11:49       ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-10 13:29         ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-11 22:37           ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-06 23:15 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-07 10:31   ` V13
2004-08-12 21:03     ` Bill Davidsen
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2004-08-08 11:15     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
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2004-08-06  9:14 ` David Woodhouse
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2004-08-06 22:42   ` H. Peter Anvin
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2004-08-06  8:24 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-06  8:28 ` Frank Steiner
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2004-08-05 15:00 ` Jens Axboe
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2004-08-07 15:33     ` Arjan van de Ven
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2004-08-05 12:57 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05 12:45 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 16:40 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-05 12:30 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 12:38 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05 12:47   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05 12:25 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 12:29 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05 16:45 ` Wakko Warner
2004-08-05 17:32   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-05 12:22 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 11:53 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 12:05 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05 11:50 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-04 12:33 H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2004-08-04 12:43 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-04 12:58   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05  0:56     ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2004-08-05  5:47       ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05  0:25   ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2004-08-05  5:43     ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-19  7:04 ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-19 11:12   ` Wakko Warner
2004-08-19 11:32   ` Lee Revell
2004-08-19 11:43     ` Marc Ballarin
2004-08-19 12:06     ` Diego Calleja
2004-08-19 13:04       ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 15:10         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-23  9:09           ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-23 21:25         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-08-19 12:42   ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 12:41     ` Alan Cox
2004-08-19 14:34       ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-20  8:02         ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-20 14:05           ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 16:43             ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-19 14:35       ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-19 13:10     ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 13:38       ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 13:56         ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 14:03           ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 14:14             ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 14:45               ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-19 15:00                 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 15:04                   ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 15:14                     ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 15:18                       ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 17:32                         ` Martin Mares
2004-08-20 18:25                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-08-19 15:07               ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-19 15:16                 ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 17:30                   ` Martin Mares
2004-08-20 15:28                   ` Andreas Jaeger
2004-08-20 16:37                     ` Julien Oster
2004-08-19 15:36                 ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-19 16:00                   ` Paul Rolland
2004-08-19 17:41                     ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-19 14:29             ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-08-19 15:29           ` Andreas Jaeger
     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.60.0408191909570.23309@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk>
2004-08-20 13:40         ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 14:14     ` Gerd Knorr
2004-08-19 14:32     ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-19 14:32       ` Alan Cox
2004-08-19 16:00         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-08-19 16:07           ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 17:32             ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-19 23:02               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-08-20 13:37               ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 13:49                 ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-20 14:13                   ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 17:59             ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20 13:41               ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 13:09                 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20 13:55                 ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-20 14:24                 ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2004-08-20 14:37                   ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 15:05                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-08-20 19:28                 ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-08-20 20:30                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-08-20 22:05                 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-08-20 23:30                   ` Andreas Steinmetz
2004-08-21  6:58                   ` David Greaves
2004-08-21  7:49                     ` Marc Ballarin
2004-08-21  9:04                       ` David Greaves
2004-08-21 11:19                         ` Marc Ballarin
2004-08-22 10:44                         ` Alan Cox
2004-08-22 17:09                           ` Adam Sampson
2004-08-21 11:06                     ` Xavier Bestel
2004-08-21 12:17                       ` David Greaves
2004-08-19 17:24           ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-19 18:06           ` Alan Cox
2004-08-19 19:19             ` Mark Lord
2004-08-19 22:57               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-08-20 11:22                 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20 11:18               ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20  7:46         ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-20 11:23           ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20 12:45             ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-20 11:51         ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 11:25           ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20 14:11             ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 13:46               ` Alan Cox
2004-08-21 12:43                 ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]                   ` <1093171538.24341.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2004-08-22 12:00                     ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 16:22   ` V13
2004-08-21  3:31 ` Patrick McFarland

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