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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	David McCullough <davidm@snapgear.com>,
	cryptoapi@lists.logix.cz, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy (2.6.11)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:19:55 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1111735195.20797.42.camel@uganda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050325065622.GA31127@gondor.apana.org.au>

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On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 17:56 +1100, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 09:59:18AM +0300, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> > 
> > It is not only about userspace/kernelspace system calls and data
> > copying,
> > but about whole revalidation process, which can and is quite expensive,
> > due to system calls, copying and validating itself,
> 
> What I meant is if you don't need the revalidation then don't do it.
> That's the advantage of having it in user-space, *you* get to decide,
> not us.

One can not add entropy data directly to the pool from kernelspace now.
But now noone may do it, since all presented data is not validated.
So when there will be validated HW RNG they still need to pass
it's data through userspace validation daemon
(which btw makes tens to hundreds operations per bit according to FIPS).

> > And what about initial bootup? When system needs to create randoom
> > IP/dhcp/any ids? What about small router?
> 
> Let's not reinvent the wheel, this is exactly what initramfs is for.

It is not panacea and even not always working solution.

If user turn that feature on - he is on his own.
Noone will complain on Linux if NIC is broken and produces wrong
checksum
and HW checksum offloading is enabled using ethtools.

-- 
        Evgeniy Polyakov

Crash is better than data corruption -- Arthur Grabowski

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-25  7:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-15 13:36 ocf-linux-20050315 - Asynchronous Crypto support for linux David McCullough
2005-03-24  4:27 ` [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy (2.6.11) David McCullough
2005-03-24  4:30   ` [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy (2.4.29) David McCullough
2005-03-24  4:33   ` [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy (2.6.11) Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24  4:46     ` David McCullough
2005-03-24  4:49       ` Michal Ludvig
2005-03-24  5:13       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 12:37         ` Folkert van Heusden
2005-03-24 12:52         ` David McCullough
2005-03-24 20:51           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24  7:18       ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-24  7:37         ` Dave Jones
2005-03-24  4:38   ` [PATCH] " Andrew Morton
2005-03-24  5:17     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24  5:32       ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-29  1:33         ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-24  5:43       ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-24 12:21     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-24 20:39       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  4:25         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  4:45           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  5:46             ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-31  3:52             ` David McCullough
2005-03-31 13:58               ` [PATCH] API for TRNG (2.6.11) [Fortuna] Jean-Luc Cooke
2005-04-13 15:36                 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2005-03-24 12:28     ` [PATCH 2.6.12-rc1] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy David McCullough
2005-03-24 12:38     ` [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy (2.6.11) David McCullough
2005-03-24 18:51     ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-24 20:37       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-27 17:19         ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-27 18:55           ` folkert
2005-03-28 15:20             ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-28 15:24               ` folkert
2005-03-29  7:17               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-29 15:03                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29  7:16             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-29 15:07               ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29  7:15           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 11:59   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-24 12:48     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 13:08       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-24 20:53         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 13:23       ` David McCullough
2005-03-24 13:46         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-24 20:56           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  4:34             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  4:48               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  5:33                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  5:58                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  6:16                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  6:13                       ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  6:34                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  6:33                           ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  6:59                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  6:56                               ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  7:19                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov [this message]
2005-03-25  7:19                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  7:38                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  7:25                                   ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  7:58                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                                       ` <424495A8.40804@freescale.com>
2005-03-25 23:43                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25 23:47                                           ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-26  0:47                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-26  0:36                                               ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-26  8:52                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-28 13:45                                           ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2005-03-28 21:30                                             ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 10:23                                     ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-29 10:21                         ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-29 10:30                           ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 10:38                             ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-29 10:45                               ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 10:50                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29 10:46                               ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 11:42                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29 11:39                                   ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 12:15                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29 12:13                                       ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-29 12:43                                       ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 13:11                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29 14:38                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29 13:48                                     ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2005-03-29 23:36                               ` Andrew James Wade
2005-03-29 22:02                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-03-29 22:24                           ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-29 22:46                           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-30 21:22                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-03-30 21:49                               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-30 22:27                                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-29 10:18                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-29 10:25                   ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 10:53                   ` Martin Mares
2005-03-24 20:54         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 14:25       ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2005-03-24 20:57         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 21:20         ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  5:52     ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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