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From: Daniel Walker <dwalker@mvista.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] futex: fix miss ordered wakeups
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 08:32:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1211643165.18130.166.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0805241039220.3295@apollo.tec.linutronix.de>


On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 10:55 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:

> Normal futexes have no ordering guarantees at all. There is no
> mechanism to prevent lock stealing from lower priority tasks. So why
> should we care about the once a year case, where a sleepers priority
> is modified ?

Lock stealing? The usage of sched_setscheduler is fairly pervasive in
userspace, if a task becomes SCHED_FIFO it did so via
sched_setscheduler. So I don't think this is at all "once a year". Tasks
shouldn't be forced to determine if a task is sleeping or not before it
calls sched_setscheduler. 

> If you need ordering guarantees then use PI futexes.

There are degree's of overhead with each step.. Someone may not need or
want priority inheritance.

> > +void futex_adjust_waiters(struct task_struct *p)
> > +{
> > +	spin_lock(&p->pi_lock);
> > +		spin_lock(&hb->lock);
> > ...
> > +		spin_unlock(&hb->lock);
> > +	}
> > +	spin_unlock(&p->pi_lock);
> > +}
> 
> vs.
> 
> > @@ -1155,6 +1191,8 @@ static int futex_wait(u32 __user *uaddr,
> {
> ....
>         hb = queue_lock(&q);
> 
> > +	spin_lock(&current->pi_lock);
> > +	current->blocked_on = &blocked_on;
> > +	spin_unlock(&current->pi_lock);
> 
> There are more issues vs. pi futexes as well. The simple case of
> futex_wait() vs. futex_adjust_waiters will just upset lockdep, but
> there are real dealocks vs. unqueue_me_pi waiting.

You mean the lock ordering would cause the deadlock vs. unqueue_me_pi ,
or are you talking about something else?

Daniel


  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-24 15:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-22  7:00 [PATCH 1/3] mutex debug: add generic blocked_on usage Daniel Walker
2008-05-22  7:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] rtmutex: " Daniel Walker
2008-05-22  7:00 ` [PATCH 3/3] futex: fix miss ordered wakeups Daniel Walker
2008-05-23  5:02   ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-23  5:15     ` Daniel Walker
2008-05-23  5:24       ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-23  5:36         ` Daniel Walker
2008-05-24  3:38           ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-24  8:55   ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-05-24 15:32     ` Daniel Walker [this message]
2008-05-24 17:03       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-05-24 17:24         ` Daniel Walker
2008-05-24 18:35           ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-05-24 19:19             ` Daniel Walker
2008-05-24 20:34               ` Arjan van de Ven

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