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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] generic-smp: remove single ipi fallback for smp_call_function_many()
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:55:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1234817701.30178.380.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090216203055.GA5135@redhat.com>

On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 21:30 +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 02/16, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 20:10 +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > Actually I don't understand the counter/free_list logic.
> > >
> > > 	generic_smp_call_function_interrupt:
> > >
> > > 			/*
> > > 			 * When the global queue is empty, its guaranteed that no cpu
> > > 			 * is still observing any entry on the free_list, therefore
> > > 			 * we can go ahead and unlock them.
> > > 			 */
> > > 			if (!--call_function.counter)
> > > 				list_splice_init(&call_function.free_list, &free_list);
> > >
> > > I can't see why "its guaranteed that no cpu ...". Let's suppose CPU 0
> > > "hangs" for some reason in generic_smp_call_function_interrupt() right
> > > before "if (!cpumask_test_cpu(cpu, data->cpumask))" test. Then it is
> > > possible that another CPU removes the single entry (which doesn't have
> > > CPU 0 in data->cpumask) from call_function.queue.
> >
> > Then call_function.counter wouldn't be 0, and we would not release the
> > list entries.
> 
> Why it wouldn't be 0? IOW, do you mean that the spurious CALL_FUNCTION_VECTOR
> is not possible?

Ah, I think I see what you mean, you're right. I should not be counting
the number of entries in the queue, for when the last one gets removed
does not correlate to another observing entries.

> > > Now, if that entry is re-added, we can have a problem if CPU 0 sees
> > > the partly initialized entry.
> >
> > Right, so the scenario is that a cpu observes the list entry after we do
> > list_del_rcu() -- most likely a cpu not in the original mask, taversing
> > the list for a next entry -- we have to wait for some quiescent state to
> > ensure nobody is still referencing it.
> 
> Yes I see. But if we change generic_smp_call_function_interrupt() to
> re-check cpumask_test_cpu(cpu, data->cpumask) under data->lock then
> we don't have to wait for quiescent state, afaics. And we have to
> take this lock anyway.

Suppose entries A,B,C,D are queued, and some cpu1 is traversing the list
to execute C and is currently at B waiting for data->lock. Concurrently
cpu2 has completed B and removes it from the list, when cpu3 takes B and
inserts it at the end.

So we end up with A->C->D->B, and cpu1 will find its at the end of the
list and stop, never having seen C, the one it was meant to execute.

One possible solution would be to always queue new entries at the head,
but that would be unfair wrt function execution -- do we care?


  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-16 20:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-16 16:38 [PATCH 0/4] generic smp helpers vs kmalloc Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 16:38 ` [PATCH 1/4] generic-smp: remove single ipi fallback for smp_call_function_many() Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 19:10   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 19:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 20:30       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 20:55         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2009-02-16 21:22           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 12:25     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 20:49   ` Q: smp.c && barriers (Was: [PATCH 1/4] generic-smp: remove single ipi fallback for smp_call_function_many()) Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 21:03     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 21:32       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 21:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 22:02           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 22:24             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 23:19               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17  9:29                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 10:11                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-17 10:27                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 10:39                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-17 11:26                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-17 11:48                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 15:51                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-18  2:15                           ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18  2:40                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-17 19:28                         ` Q: " Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 21:32                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-17 21:45                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 22:39                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-18 13:52                                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-18 16:09                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 16:21                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 16:33                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 16:58                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:05                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:10                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:17                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 17:23                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:14                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 17:47                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 18:33                                               ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18 16:37                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-02-19  0:12                                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-19  6:47                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-19 13:11                                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-19 15:06                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 21:49                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-18  2:21                         ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18 13:59                           ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-18 16:19                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 16:23                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 18:43                             ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18 19:17                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 23:55                                 ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-19 12:20                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 12:29                                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-19 12:45                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 22:00                                     ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-20 10:56                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-20 18:56                                         ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-20 19:40                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-20 23:28                                           ` Jack Steiner
2009-02-25  3:32                                           ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-25 12:47                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-25 18:25                                             ` Luck, Tony
2009-03-17 18:16                                             ` Suresh Siddha
2009-03-18  8:51                                               ` [tip:x86/x2apic] x86: add x2apic_wrmsr_fence() to x2apic flush tlb paths Suresh Siddha
2009-02-17 12:40                   ` Q: smp.c && barriers (Was: [PATCH 1/4] generic-smp: remove single ipi fallback for smp_call_function_many()) Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 15:43                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-17 15:40   ` [PATCH] generic-smp: remove kmalloc() Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 17:21     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 17:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 17:46         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 18:30           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 19:29         ` [PATCH -v4] generic-ipi: " Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 20:02           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 20:11             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 20:16               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 20:44                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 20:49                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 22:09                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 22:15                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 21:30           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-17 21:38             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 16:38 ` [PATCH 2/4] generic-smp: remove kmalloc usage Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17  0:40   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-17  8:24     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17  9:43       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-17  9:49         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 10:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18  4:50         ` Rusty Russell
2009-02-18 16:05           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19  0:00             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-19 12:21               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19  4:31             ` Rusty Russell
2009-02-19  9:10               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-19 11:04                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-02-19 16:52               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-17 15:44       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-16 16:38 ` [PATCH 3/4] generic-smp: properly allocate the cpumasks Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 23:17   ` Rusty Russell
2009-02-16 16:38 ` [PATCH 4/4] generic-smp: clean up some of the csd->flags fiddling Peter Zijlstra

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