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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Q: smp.c && barriers (Was: [PATCH 1/4] generic-smp: remove single ipi fallback for smp_call_function_many())
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:47:20 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1235026040.8805.3.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0902180744520.21686@localhost.localdomain>


> It might hide some architecture-specific implementation issue, of course, 
> so random amounts of "smp_mb()"s sprinkled around might well make some 
> architecture "work", but it's in no way guaranteed. A smp_mb() does not 
> guarantee that some separate IPI network is ordered - that may well take 
> some random machine-specific IO cycle.
> 
> That said, at least on x86, taking an interrupt should be a serializing 
> event, so there should be no reason for anything on the receiving side. 
> The _sending_ side might need to make sure that there is serialization 
> when generating the IPI (so that the IPI cannot happen while the writes 
> are still in some per-CPU write buffer and haven't become part of the 
> cache coherency domain).
> 
> And at least on x86 it's actually pretty hard to generate out-of-order 
> accesses to begin with (_regardless_ of any issues external to the CPU). 
> You have to work at it, and use a WC memory area, and I'm pretty sure we 
> use UC for the apic accesses.

On powerpc, I suspect an smp_mb() on the sender would be useful... it
mostly depends how the IPI is generated but in most case it's going to
be an MMIO write, ie non-cached write which isn't ordered vs. any
previous cached store except using a full sync (which is what smp_mb()
does).

Cheers,
Ben.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-19  6:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-16 16:38 [PATCH 0/4] generic smp helpers vs kmalloc Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 16:38 ` [PATCH 1/4] generic-smp: remove single ipi fallback for smp_call_function_many() Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 19:10   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 19:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 20:30       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 20:55         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 21:22           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 12:25     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 20:49   ` Q: smp.c && barriers (Was: [PATCH 1/4] generic-smp: remove single ipi fallback for smp_call_function_many()) Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 21:03     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 21:32       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 21:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 22:02           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 22:24             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 23:19               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17  9:29                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 10:11                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-17 10:27                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 10:39                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-17 11:26                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-17 11:48                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 15:51                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-18  2:15                           ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18  2:40                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-17 19:28                         ` Q: " Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 21:32                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-17 21:45                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 22:39                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-18 13:52                                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-18 16:09                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 16:21                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 16:33                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 16:58                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:05                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:10                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:17                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 17:23                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:14                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 17:47                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 18:33                                               ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18 16:37                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-02-19  0:12                                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-19  6:47                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2009-02-19 13:11                                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-19 15:06                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 21:49                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-18  2:21                         ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18 13:59                           ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-18 16:19                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 16:23                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 18:43                             ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18 19:17                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 23:55                                 ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-19 12:20                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 12:29                                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-19 12:45                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 22:00                                     ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-20 10:56                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-20 18:56                                         ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-20 19:40                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-20 23:28                                           ` Jack Steiner
2009-02-25  3:32                                           ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-25 12:47                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-25 18:25                                             ` Luck, Tony
2009-03-17 18:16                                             ` Suresh Siddha
2009-03-18  8:51                                               ` [tip:x86/x2apic] x86: add x2apic_wrmsr_fence() to x2apic flush tlb paths Suresh Siddha
2009-02-17 12:40                   ` Q: smp.c && barriers (Was: [PATCH 1/4] generic-smp: remove single ipi fallback for smp_call_function_many()) Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 15:43                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-17 15:40   ` [PATCH] generic-smp: remove kmalloc() Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 17:21     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 17:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 17:46         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 18:30           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 19:29         ` [PATCH -v4] generic-ipi: " Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 20:02           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 20:11             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 20:16               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 20:44                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 20:49                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 22:09                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 22:15                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 21:30           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-17 21:38             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 16:38 ` [PATCH 2/4] generic-smp: remove kmalloc usage Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17  0:40   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-17  8:24     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17  9:43       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-17  9:49         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 10:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18  4:50         ` Rusty Russell
2009-02-18 16:05           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19  0:00             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-19 12:21               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19  4:31             ` Rusty Russell
2009-02-19  9:10               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-19 11:04                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-02-19 16:52               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-17 15:44       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-16 16:38 ` [PATCH 3/4] generic-smp: properly allocate the cpumasks Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 23:17   ` Rusty Russell
2009-02-16 16:38 ` [PATCH 4/4] generic-smp: clean up some of the csd->flags fiddling Peter Zijlstra

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