IBM spamms me with error messages

IBM spamms me with error messages

[Pavel Machek]

Hi!

I replied to some mail on l-k and IBM spammed me with 20+ error
messages. Now it is apparently going to do that again.

IBM: I asked your postmasters to fix your mail systems, and you
apparently don't know how to do that. Can you fix it?!

I don't know what broken mailserver substituted my email address as
pavel%internet.vnet@RCHGATE.RCHLAND.IBM.COM, and I do not care much,
but STOP SPAMMING ME.
							Pavel

RCHGATE.RCHLAND.IBM.COM unable to deliver following mail to
recipient(s):
    <tinglett@rchmail.rchland.ibm.com>
RCHGATE.RCHLAND.IBM.COM received negative reply:
501 5.1.8 <@RCHGATE.RCHLAND.IBM.COM:PAVEL@INTERNET.RSCS>... Domain of
sender address PAVEL@INTERNET.RSCS does not exist

           ** Text of Mail follows **
Received:  by RCHGATE.RCHLAND.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP Level 3A0) via
spool with SMTP id 6538 ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:45:57 CST
Received: by RCHGATE (cvtto822 5.1.7) via <pavel@internet> id 2652
(NOTE)
          for <tinglett@rchland>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:45:57 -0600
Date:  Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:40:31 +0100
From: "Pavel Machek" <pavel%internet.vnet@RCHGATE.RCHLAND.IBM.COM>
To: "Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
cc: "Grover, Andrew" <andrew.grover@intel.com>,
   "'Ducrot Bruno'" <poup@poupinou.org>,
   "Pavel Machek" <pavel%internet.vnet@RCHGATE.RCHLAND.IBM.COM>,
   "Ducrot Bruno" <ducrot@poupinou.org>,
   "Patrick Mochel" <mochel@osdl.org>,
   "Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
   "ACPI mailing list" <acpi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=DDACPI=A8=5F?=Re:
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?=DD2.5.50,=5FACPI=A8=5F?=link error
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
In-Reply-To: <1039481341.12046.21.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk>
References:
 <EDC461A30AC4D511ADE10002A5072CAD04C7A581@orsmsx119.jf.intel.com>
 <1039481341.12046.21.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk>

-- 
Casualities in World Trade Center: ~3k dead inside the building,
cryptography in U.S.A. and free speech in Czech Republic.

Re: IBM spamms me with error messages

[Matti Aarnio]

On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 09:56:11PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I replied to some mail on l-k and IBM spammed me with 20+ error
> messages. Now it is apparently going to do that again.

   Still/again ?

> IBM: I asked your postmasters to fix your mail systems, and you
> apparently don't know how to do that. Can you fix it?!
> 
> I don't know what broken mailserver substituted my email address as
> pavel%internet.vnet@RCHGATE.RCHLAND.IBM.COM, and I do not care much,
> but STOP SPAMMING ME.
> 							Pavel

   It is same type of MTA misbehaviour as is exhibited by
   various M$ email virus scanners.  Visible "From:" header
   has absolutely nothing to do with what is the correct
   address to send the message to.  (Or "To:"/"Cc:" headers..)

> RCHGATE.RCHLAND.IBM.COM unable to deliver following mail to
> recipient(s):
>     <tinglett@rchmail.rchland.ibm.com>
> RCHGATE.RCHLAND.IBM.COM received negative reply:
> 501 5.1.8 <@RCHGATE.RCHLAND.IBM.COM:PAVEL@INTERNET.RSCS>... Domain of
> sender address PAVEL@INTERNET.RSCS does not exist

   Tinglett isn't subscribed.  Yet the message is quite fresh...

>            ** Text of Mail follows **
> Received:  by RCHGATE.RCHLAND.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP Level 3A0) via
> spool with SMTP id 6538 ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:45:57 CST
> Received: by RCHGATE (cvtto822 5.1.7) via <pavel@internet> id 2652
> (NOTE)
>           for <tinglett@rchland>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:45:57 -0600
> Date:  Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:40:31 +0100
> From: "Pavel Machek" <pavel%internet.vnet@RCHGATE.RCHLAND.IBM.COM>
> To: "Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>

Re: IBM spamms me with error messages

[David S. Miller]

On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 14:43, Matti Aarnio wrote:
> > 501 5.1.8 <@RCHGATE.RCHLAND.IBM.COM:PAVEL@INTERNET.RSCS>... Domain of
> > sender address PAVEL@INTERNET.RSCS does not exist
> 
>    Tinglett isn't subscribed.  Yet the message is quite fresh...

It's some exploder that ends up at these people's addresses.
This is why we require help of IBM's postmasters to resolve this.

Re: IBM spamms me with error messages

[Pavel Machek]

Hi!

> > I replied to some mail on l-k and IBM spammed me with 20+ error
> > messages. Now it is apparently going to do that again.
> 
>    Still/again ?

It seems to happen after I group-reply to message on the list. Being
subscribed and quiet does not seem to trigger it. When I do
group-reply, I do get pair of error messages, then another pair of
same error messages, and it continues like that.

This time it "only" sent two pairs of error messages...

							Pavel
-- 
Casualities in World Trade Center: ~3k dead inside the building,
cryptography in U.S.A. and free speech in Czech Republic.

Re: IBM spamms me with error messages

[Keith Owens]

On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:35:12 +0100, 
Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz> wrote:
>> > I replied to some mail on l-k and IBM spammed me with 20+ error
>> > messages. Now it is apparently going to do that again.
>> 
>>    Still/again ?
>
>It seems to happen after I group-reply to message on the list. Being
>subscribed and quiet does not seem to trigger it. When I do
>group-reply, I do get pair of error messages, then another pair of
>same error messages, and it continues like that.
>
>This time it "only" sent two pairs of error messages...

<aol>Me too</aol>.  I have blocked 32.97.182.0/24 at my firewall, let
IBM eat their own garbage messages.

Re: IBM spamms me with error messages

[Pavel Machek]

Hi!

> > I replied to some mail on l-k and IBM spammed me with 20+ error
> > messages. Now it is apparently going to do that again.
> 
>    Still/again ?

Hehe, I replied to this, and got error, again.

								Pavel

-- 
Casualities in World Trade Center: ~3k dead inside the building,
cryptography in U.S.A. and free speech in Czech Republic.

Re: IBM spamms me with error messages

[Richard B. Johnson]

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On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Pavel Machek wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> > > I replied to some mail on l-k and IBM spammed me with 20+ error
> > > messages. Now it is apparently going to do that again.
> > 
> >    Still/again ?
> 
> Hehe, I replied to this, and got error, again.
> 
> 								Pavel
> 
> -- 
> Casualities in World Trade Center: ~3k dead inside the building,
> cryptography in U.S.A. and free speech in Czech Republic.

You are not the only one. I will probably get spammed again. Here's
the complete raw mail from their last spam.


Cheers,
Dick Johnson
Penguin : Linux version 2.4.18 on an i686 machine (797.90 BogoMips).
Why is the government concerned about the lunatic fringe? Think about it.


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Re: IBM spamms me with error messages

[Matti Aarnio]

  I would not call these "spam", they are merely undesirable
  behaviour of GW-MTAs in between the Internet, and some other
  oddball network.  A pestilance they definitely are...

On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 08:58:21AM -0500, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
> You are not the only one. I will probably get spammed again. Here's
> the complete raw mail from their last spam.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dick Johnson

/Matti Aarnio

Re: IBM spamms me with error messages

[David S. Miller]

On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 12:56, Pavel Machek wrote:
> I replied to some mail on l-k and IBM spammed me with 20+ error
> messages. Now it is apparently going to do that again.
> 
> IBM: I asked your postmasters to fix your mail systems, and you
> apparently don't know how to do that. Can you fix it?!

Pavel, you're not the only person seeing this, and you're
certainly not the only one sending emails to IBM's postmasters
asking them to fix this.

The lack of any response or actions by IBM's postmasters is certainly
quite disturbing.  Is there that much red tape at the company? :-)

Re: IBM spamms me with error messages

[Matthias Andree]

On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Pavel Machek wrote:

> I replied to some mail on l-k and IBM spammed me with 20+ error
> messages. Now it is apparently going to do that again.

Oh, speaking if ibm.com, I had them return mail from @austin.ibm.com to
my From: address for a Bugtraq post, even though I put a Reply-To.

One should ban all domains after the first virusscanner or autoresponder
trespass until they show proof they switched their virusscanner or
groupware.

Re: IBM spamms me with error messages

[Richard A Nelson]

On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, David S. Miller wrote:

> Pavel, you're not the only person seeing this, and you're
> certainly not the only one sending emails to IBM's postmasters
> asking them to fix this.
>
> The lack of any response or actions by IBM's postmasters is certainly
> quite disturbing.  Is there that much red tape at the company? :-)

At times, yes :(

I've not yet traced this fully, but it looks like it might be the RSCS
gateway in action - I'll try to get the relevant folks to look at it.

Unfortunately, there are several groups involved - AT&T handles the
exterior gateway servers, another group handles the Lotus gateways,
and I beleive a third does the ip->rscs(mainframe) gateway.

-- 
Rick Nelson
Now I know someone out there is going to claim, "Well then, UNIX is intuitive,
because you only need to learn 5000 commands, and then everything else follows
from that! Har har har!"
	-- Andy Bates on "intuitive interfaces", slightly defending Macs

Re: IBM spamms me with error messages

[Martin J. Bligh]

> I replied to some mail on l-k and IBM spammed me with 20+ error
> messages. Now it is apparently going to do that again.
>
> IBM: I asked your postmasters to fix your mail systems, and you
> apparently don't know how to do that. Can you fix it?!
>
> I don't know what broken mailserver substituted my email address as
> pavel%internet.vnet@RCHGATE.RCHLAND.IBM.COM, and I do not care much,
> but STOP SPAMMING ME.

I'm promised this is fixed now. If people still get bounces, I'll route
problems to the appropriate people if you send them to mbligh@aracnet.com
(I'll probably regret that offer, but still ...)

Apologies on behalf of other random bits of IBM.

M.