* New directions for kernel development @ 2001-04-01 8:05 ` Linus Torvalds 2001-04-01 8:24 ` A Guy Called Tyketto ` (7 more replies) 0 siblings, 8 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Linus Torvalds @ 2001-04-01 8:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel Hi all, Recently, I've been thinking a lot about where Linux development should head now that 2.4 is out. Specifically, I've been thinking about how we ought to make some cultural changes as well as technical changes. Now I'm not *entirely* sure what directions we should head in as we move towards 3.0, but I'd like to point out a few areas that need to be addressed as well as propose some possible solutions. Nothing is set in stone yet, but these are definitely issues we need to work on. First off, I don't like a lot of the elitism that does on among Linux hackers. Just because you can tell what the following script does without executing it, doesn't mean that you're some kind of god. #! /usr/bin/perl @k = unpack "a"x5,'x_,d@';@o = unpack "a"x19,'Q8>tUxLm\@`Y%N@cIq]'; while ($i<19){print chr((ord($o[$i])-ord($k[$i++%5])+91)%91+32);} Learning to hack Un*x is an impressive accomplishment, but it's closer kin to solving a Rubiks cube than scaling Everest. If you think using Un*x makes you some kind of super genius who should be feared by mere mortals and end users, either get over it or start using *BSD. *BSD users (and developers) are all complete jackasses, so you'll fit right in. Secondly, I'd like to address the issue of cleanliness. Quite frankly, the standards of personal hygiene practiced by many members of this community are simply unacceptable. As you all know, I am a fairly clean cut, well-kempt person (I know, I have a bit of a gut, but compared to Maddog, Nick Petreley or ESR, I'm a modern Adonis.), and in the Linux community that is something of an anomaly. Virtually all users of Linux (and all other forms of Un*x) are unkempt, longhaired, beast-bearded dirty GNU hippies, and I am sick and tired of having to deal with them. The person I have the greatest problem with is that (in)famous communist RMS. Now, RMS may have been responsible for GNU, the GPL, GCC and many other contributions to the computing community, but his stance, as well as stench, displayed in his essays and actions, nauseates me. I mean, with that filth-ridden beard of his, where does he have room to demand that people refer to Linux as GNU / Linux? When he is as clean-shaven as I, he may claim that right, but until then, he should go back to playing his little flute and dropping acid like theres no tomorrow. Honestly, if he doesnt shut his mouth and go back to reading Marx, Im going to shut it for him. I am sorry to sound so harsh, but a little hygiene every once in a while is a Good Thing(TM). Makes me wish I'd gone with a closed source license back in the day. Next in line of dirty scuzz-balls I have to deal with, and probably the worst thorn in my side, is Alan Cox, the primary coder of my kernel's TCP/IP stack (ha, what a joke!) and all around dirty GNU hippy. Alan views toothpaste the same way a vampire views garlic. The man's wife (who I spent a few years with at the University of Helsinki) often calls me crying in the middle of the night to complain of the rank, unbearable stench the man exudes after sex. On several occasions at trade shows, exhibitions and beer bashes, I have nearly fainted from the torrent of rotten odor that pours from every inch of his toxic person. Along with the typical GNU hygiene (mis)habits he practices, he also bitches and whines about... well, everything. He lies a lot too; evidence for this can be seen in the fact he almost always wears cheap black sunglasses when talking to people he knows are better than him (such as myself). And then we come to ESR. I won't reiterate the sewer-dweller like cleansing habits he practices as well, but I would like to focus on his general lifestyle. I like to refer to ESR as AGB or Arrogant Gas Baron. The man s flatulence is legendary. I honestly believe that given a meal of refried beans and a match, he could reach low earth orbit. If you have to meet with ESR for any reason, arrange for the meeting to be outdoors and try to stay upwind. And his flatulence isnt limited to his posterior either. Frequently it comes out his mouth or even out of his keyboard. (Those of you who have read The Cathedral and the Bazaar or Meditations of Sudden Wealth will know exactly what Im talking about here.) Additionally, he is a complete hillbilly. You know, the kind that goes to inner-city computer stores and buys 386s to set up as servers all over his house, with cigarette smoke-stained 14" monitors piled high upon his kitchen table. He has neither grace nor charm and can't last 15 seconds in conversation with educated company without drifting into a tirade on gun rights or the best methods for tanning road kill. Couple the above facts with his ruddy complexion (from drinking Jagermeister like its water) and his child-molester mustache and youve got the makings of one more person who pisses me off. Well, that's it for now. Hopefully with these feelings off my chest and into the Open Source community, things will change for the better. I'd like just once to talk to a Linux user or advocate who washes and changes their clothes at least weekly. Until then, I will be rejecting patches from anyone whose grooming standards do not measure up. Also, I have submitted this to slashdot with the title "A Proposed Remedy Involving Lingering Fud and Organizational Objections to Linux Systems." Be on the lookout for it. Thank you, --Linus Torvalds ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: New directions for kernel development 2001-04-01 8:05 ` New directions for kernel development Linus Torvalds @ 2001-04-01 8:24 ` A Guy Called Tyketto 2001-04-01 8:37 ` Nikolas Zimmermann 2001-04-01 9:11 ` George Bonser ` (6 subsequent siblings) 7 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: A Guy Called Tyketto @ 2001-04-01 8:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel Heh.. Not even 5 minutes into the smegging day, and it's already started. ;) BL. -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: tyketto@wizard.com Unix Systems Administrator, | tyketto@ozemail.com.au Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! :) | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: New directions for kernel development 2001-04-01 8:24 ` A Guy Called Tyketto @ 2001-04-01 8:37 ` Nikolas Zimmermann 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Nikolas Zimmermann @ 2001-04-01 8:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: A Guy Called Tyketto, linux-kernel On Sunday 01 April 2001 10:24, A Guy Called Tyketto wrote: > Heh.. > > Not even 5 minutes into the smegging day, and it's already started. > ;) > > BL. 5 mins? In germany ppl fool me since 10 hours :) ;) Bye Bye Niko -- Nikolas Zimmermann wildfox@kde.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* RE: New directions for kernel development 2001-04-01 8:05 ` New directions for kernel development Linus Torvalds 2001-04-01 8:24 ` A Guy Called Tyketto @ 2001-04-01 9:11 ` George Bonser 2001-04-01 9:21 ` Aaron Lehmann ` (5 subsequent siblings) 7 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: George Bonser @ 2001-04-01 9:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel So according to the below, Linux development should be considered an environmental hazard? Maybe it is in the best interest of Planet Earth that we should provide some safe place, possibly some South Pacific island, where we could set up a quarrantine camp for hardcore linux developers. All of their needs would be provided for, of course, since it is not their fault they are afflicted with this problem. Someplace near an undersea fiber link would most likely be best since their activities will need to be closely monitored at all times and instant global communication of their "progress" is vital. Judging from the pasty faces of many Linux developers, sunshine might be the perfect remedy. I say the UN should get right on this problem straight away! > Secondly, I'd like to address the issue of cleanliness. > Quite frankly, the > standards of personal hygiene practiced by many members of this community > are simply unacceptable. > I am sorry to sound so harsh, but a little hygiene every once in a > while is a Good Thing(TM). > Alan views toothpaste the same way a vampire views garlic. > I have nearly fainted from the torrent of rotten odor that pours > from every inch of his toxic person. > If you have to meet with > ESR for any reason, arrange for the meeting to be outdoors and try to stay > upwind. > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: New directions for kernel development 2001-04-01 8:05 ` New directions for kernel development Linus Torvalds 2001-04-01 8:24 ` A Guy Called Tyketto 2001-04-01 9:11 ` George Bonser @ 2001-04-01 9:21 ` Aaron Lehmann 2001-04-01 9:22 ` Richard Gooch ` (4 subsequent siblings) 7 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Aaron Lehmann @ 2001-04-01 9:21 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: linux-kernel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 282 bytes --] On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 12:05:32AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 > Hi all, This is why OpenPGP signatures must be used more often. [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 232 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: New directions for kernel development 2001-04-01 8:05 ` New directions for kernel development Linus Torvalds ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2001-04-01 9:21 ` Aaron Lehmann @ 2001-04-01 9:22 ` Richard Gooch 2001-04-01 10:52 ` john slee 2001-04-01 15:22 ` Miles Lane ` (3 subsequent siblings) 7 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Richard Gooch @ 2001-04-01 9:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel Linus Torvalds writes: Ho, hum. No, he didn't. It's April Wankers^WFools again. Regards, Richard.... Permanent: rgooch@atnf.csiro.au Current: rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: New directions for kernel development 2001-04-01 9:22 ` Richard Gooch @ 2001-04-01 10:52 ` john slee 2001-04-01 11:16 ` Kai Henningsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: john slee @ 2001-04-01 10:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Richard Gooch; +Cc: linux-kernel On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 01:22:48AM -0800, Richard Gooch wrote: > Linus Torvalds writes: > > Ho, hum. No, he didn't. It's April Wankers^WFools again. we aussies are supposed to have a good sense of humour :P j. -- "Bobby, jiggle Grandpa's rat so it looks alive, please" -- gary larson ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: New directions for kernel development 2001-04-01 10:52 ` john slee @ 2001-04-01 11:16 ` Kai Henningsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Kai Henningsen @ 2001-04-01 11:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel indigoid@higherplane.net (john slee) wrote on 01.04.01 in <20010401205207.F28831@higherplane.net>: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 01:22:48AM -0800, Richard Gooch wrote: > > Linus Torvalds writes: > > > > Ho, hum. No, he didn't. It's April Wankers^WFools again. > > we aussies are supposed to have a good sense of humour :P Yeah, but this one was fairly lame. MfG Kai ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: New directions for kernel development 2001-04-01 8:05 ` New directions for kernel development Linus Torvalds ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2001-04-01 9:22 ` Richard Gooch @ 2001-04-01 15:22 ` Miles Lane 2001-04-01 16:36 ` David Riley ` (2 subsequent siblings) 7 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Miles Lane @ 2001-04-01 15:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: torvalds; +Cc: linux-kernel Linus Torvalds wrote: It's definitely time for you to show up on Saturday Night Live! You are one funny guy. :-) Happy April Fools Day. Miles ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: New directions for kernel development 2001-04-01 8:05 ` New directions for kernel development Linus Torvalds ` (4 preceding siblings ...) 2001-04-01 15:22 ` Miles Lane @ 2001-04-01 16:36 ` David Riley 2001-04-01 17:38 ` Chris Meadors 2001-04-01 16:53 ` John Jasen 2001-04-02 12:34 ` Padraig Brady 7 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: David Riley @ 2001-04-01 16:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel Linus Torvalds wrote: Uhm, yeah... I don't know who wrote this, but it came from Washington state and was written with MS Outlook... Something tells me that this April Fool's joke wasn't Linus'. :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: New directions for kernel development 2001-04-01 16:36 ` David Riley @ 2001-04-01 17:38 ` Chris Meadors 2001-04-01 18:43 ` Ben Ford 2001-04-01 20:05 ` Adam 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Chris Meadors @ 2001-04-01 17:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, David Riley wrote: > Linus Torvalds wrote: > > Uhm, yeah... I don't know who wrote this, but it came from Washington > state and was written with MS Outlook... Something tells me that this > April Fool's joke wasn't Linus'. :-) Yeah, the quality of these jokes has really gone down hill. Last year we had forged headers and composed with Pine. This year we have someone with a dialup account using Outlook, with all it's ^Os and long lines of text. Bah. -Chris -- Two penguins were walking on an iceberg. The first penguin said to the second, "you look like you are wearing a tuxedo." The second penguin said, "I might be..." --David Lynch, Twin Peaks ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: New directions for kernel development 2001-04-01 17:38 ` Chris Meadors @ 2001-04-01 18:43 ` Ben Ford 2001-04-01 20:05 ` Adam 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Ben Ford @ 2001-04-01 18:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chris Meadors; +Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Chris Meadors wrote: > On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, David Riley wrote: > >> Linus Torvalds wrote: >> >> Uhm, yeah... I don't know who wrote this, but it came from Washington >> state and was written with MS Outlook... Something tells me that this >> April Fool's joke wasn't Linus'. :-) > > > Yeah, the quality of these jokes has really gone down hill. Last year we > had forged headers and composed with Pine. This year we have someone with > a dialup account using Outlook, with all it's ^Os and long lines of text. > Bah. Perhaps that was intended as part of the joke . . . . -b ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: New directions for kernel development 2001-04-01 17:38 ` Chris Meadors 2001-04-01 18:43 ` Ben Ford @ 2001-04-01 20:05 ` Adam 2001-04-01 20:25 ` Gregory Maxwell 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Adam @ 2001-04-01 20:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chris Meadors; +Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > > Uhm, yeah... I don't know who wrote this, but it came from Washington > > state and was written with MS Outlook... Something tells me that this > > April Fool's joke wasn't Linus'. :-) > > Yeah, the quality of these jokes has really gone down hill. Last year we > had forged headers and composed with Pine. This year we have someone with > a dialup account using Outlook, with all it's ^Os and long lines of text. BZZT, wrong. Headers were forged intentionally to show pine since it is what Linus uses. I had a joke for this year as well, but I didn't hear back from Linus if that's cool with him to send it to LKML (I suppose I should have asked him earlier than 24hrs) so I did not send it. For those interested, a rought draft is at http://www.eax.com/linux2001/linux2001.txt -- Adam http://www.eax.com The Supreme Headquarters of the 32 bit registers ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: New directions for kernel development 2001-04-01 20:05 ` Adam @ 2001-04-01 20:25 ` Gregory Maxwell 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Gregory Maxwell @ 2001-04-01 20:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Adam; +Cc: Chris Meadors, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 03:05:47PM -0500, Adam wrote: > BZZT, wrong. Headers were forged intentionally to show pine since it is > what Linus uses. > > I had a joke for this year as well, but I didn't hear back from Linus if > that's cool with him to send it to LKML (I suppose I should have asked him > earlier than 24hrs) so I did not send it. > > For those interested, a rought draft is at > > http://www.eax.com/linux2001/linux2001.txt You forgot the obligatory Linus Thorvalds reference. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: New directions for kernel development 2001-04-01 8:05 ` New directions for kernel development Linus Torvalds ` (5 preceding siblings ...) 2001-04-01 16:36 ` David Riley @ 2001-04-01 16:53 ` John Jasen 2001-04-02 12:34 ` Padraig Brady 7 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: John Jasen @ 2001-04-01 16:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Linus Torvalds; +Cc: linux-kernel On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Linus Torvalds wrote: > Hi all, > > Recently, I've been thinking a lot about where Linux development should > head now that 2.4 is out. Specifically, I've been thinking about how we > ought to make some cultural changes as well as technical changes. Now I'm > not *entirely* sure what directions we should head in as we move towards > 3.0, but I'd like to point out a few areas that need to be addressed as well > as propose some possible solutions. Nothing is set in stone yet, but these > are definitely issues we need to work on. I see you've made no mention of the $17,000,000,000.00 check that you've gotten from MicroSoft, in order to 'further develop' the Linux kernel? <check the date, dudes> -- -- John E. Jasen (jjasen1@umbc.edu) -- In theory, theory and practise are the same. In practise, they aren't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: New directions for kernel development 2001-04-01 8:05 ` New directions for kernel development Linus Torvalds ` (6 preceding siblings ...) 2001-04-01 16:53 ` John Jasen @ 2001-04-02 12:34 ` Padraig Brady 7 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Padraig Brady @ 2001-04-02 12:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel I actually agree with most these points, not. Many a true word was said in jest :-) Padraig. Linus Torvalds wrote: > Hi all, [snip] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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@ 2001-04-02 14:50 Wayne.Brown
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From: Wayne.Brown @ 2001-04-02 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: torvalds; +Cc: linux-kernel
Linus Torvalds wrote:
>Virtually all users of Linux (and all other
>forms of Un*x) are unkempt, longhaired, beast-bearded dirty GNU hippies, and
>I am sick and tired of having to deal with them.
I just wish you'd bothered to make all this public sooner. Here I am, having
spent the last couple of months growing a beard to enhance my hackerhood, and
now, just when it's starting to look good, you want me to shave it off! That's
the whole problem with Linux. It's about time you stopped using these
undocumented hygiene interfaces and published some solid standards! (And don't
give me that old excuse about having your pictures right in front of us -- "A
real hacker wouldn't need documentation, he'd just read my face.")
Wayne
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