more kernel .01

more kernel .01

[tristan]

The reason i was hoping to run an old version of the kernel,
.01 or .02(as someone proposed), is so i can use it as a basis
for learning to add on to, compile, and change an os's kernel.
I know i can do this with all kernels, but the .01 kernel is very small
and the very beginning of the kernel so i can build on it. i am 
open to installing say red hat 5.2 and then running .01 on a 
VM, but i only have it on a cd, and the 386 has no cdrom drive.
Does anyone know of a place i can get an old version of red hat
ive been searching for awhile, or a way to copy the cd to 
multiple floppies that are able to be install. 
Id really rather have away of just installing it over the DOS partition
but it seems everyone thinks it would be best to install minix of red
hat first, and im fine with that. 
So if anyone has information on old red hat version i would
be very greatful

Tristan Sloughter

Re: more kernel .01

[jlnance]

On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:43:57PM -0400, tristan wrote:
> The reason i was hoping to run an old version of the kernel,
> .01 or .02(as someone proposed), is so i can use it as a basis
> for learning to add on to, compile, and change an os's kernel.
> I know i can do this with all kernels, but the .01 kernel is very small
> and the very beginning of the kernel so i can build on it. i am 
> open to installing say red hat 5.2 and then running .01 on a 
> VM, but i only have it on a cd, and the 386 has no cdrom drive.
> Does anyone know of a place i can get an old version of red hat
> ive been searching for awhile, or a way to copy the cd to 
> multiple floppies that are able to be install. 
> Id really rather have away of just installing it over the DOS partition
> but it seems everyone thinks it would be best to install minix of red
> hat first, and im fine with that. 
> So if anyone has information on old red hat version i would
> be very greatful

Long long ago, before Red Hat or any other distributions, people installed
Linux using a pair of floppies called the boot disk and the root disk.  This
was how I first installed Linux, using the 0.11 or 0.12 kernel.  It was
pretty easy to install a minimal self hosting Linux system using these disks.
If you can find someone with a set of these disk images for 0.11 and the
associated gcc disks, you can probably get a very early linux system up
fairly quickly.  I dont know who might have a set laying around, but I
hope this mail generates some comments from people who do.

Thanks,

Jim

Re: more kernel .01

[Horst von Brand]

jlnance@intrex.net said:

[...]

> Long long ago, before Red Hat or any other distributions, people installed
> Linux using a pair of floppies called the boot disk and the root disk.  This
> was how I first installed Linux, using the 0.11 or 0.12 kernel.  It was
> pretty easy to install a minimal self hosting Linux system using these disks.
> If you can find someone with a set of these disk images for 0.11 and the
> associated gcc disks, you can probably get a very early linux system up
> fairly quickly.  I dont know who might have a set laying around, but I
> hope this mail generates some comments from people who do.

Machines have changed a lot since then, unless you get a vintage machine
(with original disk, etc) I very much doubt this will work.

Besides, I don't think learning about a *very* old, severely broken kernel
will help in any way. Yes, the current kernel is huge, but most of that is
drivers for all sort of exotic hardware.
-- 
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Casilla 9G, Vin~a del Mar, Chile                               +56 32 672616

Re: more kernel .01

[Pierre Rousselet]

tristan wrote:
> 
> The reason i was hoping to run an old version of the kernel,
> .01 or .02(as someone proposed), is so i can use it as a basis
> for learning to add on to, compile, and change an os's kernel.
> I know i can do this with all kernels, but the .01 kernel is very small
> and the very beginning of the kernel so i can build on it. i am
> open to installing say red hat 5.2 and then running .01 on a
> VM, but i only have it on a cd, and the 386 has no cdrom drive.
> Does anyone know of a place i can get an old version of red hat
> ive been searching for awhile, or a way to copy the cd to
> multiple floppies that are able to be install.
> Id really rather have away of just installing it over the DOS partition
> but it seems everyone thinks it would be best to install minix of red
> hat first, and im fine with that.
> So if anyone has information on old red hat version i would
> be very greatful
> 

Slackware-3.0 (kernel 1.2.13) is installable from floppies (a lot of).

http://www.buckosoft.com/linux/slakware.html
http://ftp.gcu-squad.org/mirrors/slackware-3.0/

Pierre
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------------------------------------------------
 Pierre Rousselet <pierre.rousselet@wanadoo.fr>
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Re: more kernel .01

[David Lang]

for that matter I don't think slackware dropped the full floppy install
untill 7.0 or 7.1 and even with slackware 9 you can install from
floppy+NFS

David Lang

 On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Pierre Rousselet wrote:

> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 06:54:57 +0200
> From: Pierre Rousselet <pierre.rousselet@wanadoo.fr>
> To: fattymikefx@yahoo.com
> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: more kernel .01
>
> tristan wrote:
> >
> > The reason i was hoping to run an old version of the kernel,
> > .01 or .02(as someone proposed), is so i can use it as a basis
> > for learning to add on to, compile, and change an os's kernel.
> > I know i can do this with all kernels, but the .01 kernel is very small
> > and the very beginning of the kernel so i can build on it. i am
> > open to installing say red hat 5.2 and then running .01 on a
> > VM, but i only have it on a cd, and the 386 has no cdrom drive.
> > Does anyone know of a place i can get an old version of red hat
> > ive been searching for awhile, or a way to copy the cd to
> > multiple floppies that are able to be install.
> > Id really rather have away of just installing it over the DOS partition
> > but it seems everyone thinks it would be best to install minix of red
> > hat first, and im fine with that.
> > So if anyone has information on old red hat version i would
> > be very greatful
> >
>
> Slackware-3.0 (kernel 1.2.13) is installable from floppies (a lot of).
>
> http://www.buckosoft.com/linux/slakware.html
> http://ftp.gcu-squad.org/mirrors/slackware-3.0/
>
> Pierre
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Re: more kernel .01

[David Lang]

slackware versions back to 3.3 (2.x kernel I think) are still available
from ftp.slackware.org

David Lang

On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, David Lang wrote:

> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 05:34:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Lang <dlang@diginsite.com>
> To: Pierre Rousselet <pierre.rousselet@wanadoo.fr>
> Cc: fattymikefx@yahoo.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: more kernel .01
>
> for that matter I don't think slackware dropped the full floppy install
> untill 7.0 or 7.1 and even with slackware 9 you can install from
> floppy+NFS
>
> David Lang
>
>  On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Pierre Rousselet wrote:
>
> > Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 06:54:57 +0200
> > From: Pierre Rousselet <pierre.rousselet@wanadoo.fr>
> > To: fattymikefx@yahoo.com
> > Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> > Subject: Re: more kernel .01
> >
> > tristan wrote:
> > >
> > > The reason i was hoping to run an old version of the kernel,
> > > .01 or .02(as someone proposed), is so i can use it as a basis
> > > for learning to add on to, compile, and change an os's kernel.
> > > I know i can do this with all kernels, but the .01 kernel is very small
> > > and the very beginning of the kernel so i can build on it. i am
> > > open to installing say red hat 5.2 and then running .01 on a
> > > VM, but i only have it on a cd, and the 386 has no cdrom drive.
> > > Does anyone know of a place i can get an old version of red hat
> > > ive been searching for awhile, or a way to copy the cd to
> > > multiple floppies that are able to be install.
> > > Id really rather have away of just installing it over the DOS partition
> > > but it seems everyone thinks it would be best to install minix of red
> > > hat first, and im fine with that.
> > > So if anyone has information on old red hat version i would
> > > be very greatful
> > >
> >
> > Slackware-3.0 (kernel 1.2.13) is installable from floppies (a lot of).
> >
> > http://www.buckosoft.com/linux/slakware.html
> > http://ftp.gcu-squad.org/mirrors/slackware-3.0/
> >
> > Pierre
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Re: more kernel .01

[Albert D. Cahalan]

tristan writes:

> The reason i was hoping to run an old version of the kernel,
> .01 or .02(as someone proposed), is so i can use it as a basis
> for learning to add on to, compile, and change an os's kernel.
> I know i can do this with all kernels, but the .01 kernel is very small

The 0.01 kernel is very crude. The keyboard and IDE drivers are
written in assembly. The memory management uses 1 page table for
everything, with segmentation used to split it up into 63 processes
of 64 MB each plus a 64 MB kernel space. Swap isn't supported, so
you'll need at least 4 MB of RAM to run gcc.

> and the very beginning of the kernel so i can build on it. i am 
> open to installing say red hat 5.2 and then running .01 on a 

Red Hat is kind of new. :-) Use an old Linux distribution like MCC
or Tamu. Those came first, then SLS, then Slackware and Yggdrasil.
I gave you a URL for a slightly-hacked MCC that might do the job.

Remember to use the minix filesystem instead of ext2.

Re: more kernel .01

[David Madore]

tristan in litteris <20010817204358.38BAB501D7@localhost.localdomain> 
scripsit:
> The reason i was hoping to run an old version of the kernel,
> .01 or .02(as someone proposed), is so i can use it as a basis
> for learning to add on to, compile, and change an os's kernel.
<snip>

Does it have to be Linux?  If not, there are several systems which are
supposed to be simpler than Linux and pedagogically interesting.  For
example, VSTa (see on <URL: http://www.vsta.org/ >).  It's GPL'ed.

Also, if you are interested in history, you might have a look at <URL:
http://www.sco.com/offers/ancient.html >: the Santa Cruz Organization
is offering free source licenses for versions 5, 6 and 7 of Unix
(circa 1970).  The entire v7 kernel source code, for example is below
20klines (mostly C, and a bit of PDP-11 assembler), including device
drivers.  You can even find PDP-11 emulators to run the thing and play
with it.  (But you can't redistribute it.)

(If you want something old *and* free-as-in-free-speech, there's ITS.
I don't think anyone was able to make it run on modern machines,
though.  Making a PDP-10 emulator is much harder than for a PDP-11.)

Happy hacking,

-- 
     David A. Madore
    (david.madore@ens.fr,
     http://www.eleves.ens.fr:8080/home/madore/ )