Re: linux-kernel-announce?

Re: linux-kernel-announce?

[Rob Landley]

On Monday 01 October 2001 14:09, Kent Borg wrote:
> To find out about new kernels I suggest two techniques.
>
> Low Time Requirement: Go to Linux Weekly News <http://lwn.net> at the
> end of every week.  They do a good summary of what is up in kernel
> efforts.
>
> Large Time Requirement: Read the kernel mailing list.  Even if you
> miss an announcement by Linus or Alan or Andrea et al, you will see
> others making postings about every significant kernel.

Intermediate time requirement: go to groups.google.com, do an "advanced 
search" for author "torvalds@transmeta.com".  (Google bought the corpse of 
deja news a few months back, that's where it went.  Unfortunately the 
linux-kernel list is fed in there at least twice under different names, so 
you may want to limit the search to just one of the groups.)

Unfortunately the best thing you can say about google's list 
threading/reading facilities is that they aren't as bad as they used to be...

linuxtoday.com also tends to cover most of the linus and alan kernel 
releases, too...

And to find out information beyond the mere EXISTENCE of new kernel releases, 
there's always kt.zork.net... :)

Rob

linux-kernel-announce?

[Chris Howells]

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Hi,

Are there any plans for a low volume list of announcements regarding the 
Linux kernel? For example, whenever Linus or Alan or whoever releases a 
kernel, I would find it very useful to be notified of this by e-mail, since I 
typically wish to run the latest stable Linux kernel that is available.

Sure this information is available here on the main list, although I 
personally do not have the time (or to be honest, the inclanation) to be on 
this list. As a result of this, I tend not to find out about the latest 
kernel releases until a day or two later and I notice a story on Slashdot, or 
stumble on to kernel.org, and see the announcement there.

Since I'm not on the list, I'd be greatful if any replies could be CC'd to me 
;)

Many thanks, 

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Re: linux-kernel-announce?

[André Dahlqvist]

Chris Howells <chris@chrishowells.co.uk> wrote:

> As a result of this, I tend not to find out about the latest kernel
> releases until a day or two later and I notice a story on Slashdot, or 
> stumble on to kernel.org, and see the announcement there.

finger @zeus.kernel.org is your friend. It now also shows the latest -ac
kernel.
-- 

André Dahlqvist <andre.dahlqvist@telia.com>

Re: linux-kernel-announce?

[Matti Aarnio]

On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 05:47:29PM +0100, Chris Howells wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Are there any plans for a low volume list of announcements regarding the 
> Linux kernel? For example, whenever Linus or Alan or whoever releases a 
> kernel, I would find it very useful to be notified of this by e-mail, since
> I typically wish to run the latest stable Linux kernel that is available.

	That is entirely up to the posters to post to that list.
	If you look at:
		http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html

	you will notice that   linux-kernel-announce  list actually exists,
	and has 434 subscribers (or had when the HTML page was generated
	less than 24 hours ago... -- it is generated once a day.)

	So, announcements are thus requested to be posted ALSO
	to    linux-kernel-announce at vger.kernel.org


...
> Many thanks, 
> - -- 
> Cheers, Chris Howells -- chris@chrishowells.co.uk, howells@kde.org

/Matti Aarnio  --   co-postmaster of vger.kernel.org

Re: linux-kernel-announce?

[Petr Baudis]

> 	So, announcements are thus requested to be posted ALSO
> 	to    linux-kernel-announce at vger.kernel.org
Well, i didn't notice any announcement of e.g. 2.4.11pre1 nor here or
on linux-kernel-announce :-(. Sometimes :inus didn't announce these pre
at all, or just append changelog to some other mail, which is rather
messy and one can't track it easily. Obviously one can wrote a simple
perl script which will periodically finger vger and notify you (i saw
once one on freshmeat), but this is imho more convient and better way,
and you can even figure what changed and if there's a need for upgrade.
Vivat Alan (also) from this point of view ;-).

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Re: linux-kernel-announce?

[Kent Borg]

To find out about new kernels I suggest two techniques.

Low Time Requirement: Go to Linux Weekly News <http://lwn.net> at the
end of every week.  They do a good summary of what is up in kernel
efforts.  

Large Time Requirement: Read the kernel mailing list.  Even if you
miss an announcement by Linus or Alan or Andrea et al, you will see
others making postings about every significant kernel.


-kb, the Kent who has taken to compiling most of the kernels that come
out.

Re: linux-kernel-announce?

[Mike Fedyk]

On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 05:47:29PM +0100, Chris Howells wrote:
> Are there any plans for a low volume list of announcements regarding the 
> Linux kernel? For example, whenever Linus or Alan or whoever releases a 
> kernel, I would find it very useful to be notified of this by e-mail, since I 
> typically wish to run the latest stable Linux kernel that is available.
> 
> Sure this information is available here on the main list, although I 
> personally do not have the time (or to be honest, the inclanation) to be on 
> this list. As a result of this, I tend not to find out about the latest 
> kernel releases until a day or two later and I notice a story on Slashdot, or 
> stumble on to kernel.org, and see the announcement there.
> 

The problem with that, is that there is usually a reply to the announcement
that is helpful before you compile it.  Many times there is even a small
patch (usually for pre or -ac kernels) that fixes some small oversight.

At the moment, if you want to run the latest kernel, you should be reading
this list.

Re: linux-kernel-announce?

[Rob Landley]

On Monday 01 October 2001 15:48, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 05:47:29PM +0100, Chris Howells wrote:
> > Are there any plans for a low volume list of announcements regarding the
> > Linux kernel? For example, whenever Linus or Alan or whoever releases a
> > kernel, I would find it very useful to be notified of this by e-mail,
> > since I typically wish to run the latest stable Linux kernel that is
> > available.
> >
> > Sure this information is available here on the main list, although I
> > personally do not have the time (or to be honest, the inclanation) to be
> > on this list. As a result of this, I tend not to find out about the
> > latest kernel releases until a day or two later and I notice a story on
> > Slashdot, or stumble on to kernel.org, and see the announcement there.
>
> The problem with that, is that there is usually a reply to the announcement
> that is helpful before you compile it.  Many times there is even a small
> patch (usually for pre or -ac kernels) that fixes some small oversight.
>
> At the moment, if you want to run the latest kernel, you should be reading
> this list.

What people have wanted for a while is a high signal low noise condensed 
new-kernel-news mailing list.  The closest we have right now is the weekly 
linux-kernel digests:kernel traffic at http://kt.zork.net, and the "kernel" 
page of Linux weekly news http://lwn.net.

Now Alan Cox not only does a pretty good job of ac-release logs, but he has a 
diary as well (http://www.linux.org.uk/diary).  I'm unaware of being able to 
get Alan's release announcements as read-only a mailing list, but I suppose 
if somebody suggested the idea to him he might not be too opposed to it.  
Good luck getting through his spam-blocker, though.

A little before the start of the 2.4 series, Linus started doing alan style 
changelogs.  They're often a bit vague ("merge with alan"), but much better 
than nothing.  I floated a proposal a while back to give Linus a better tool 
for this that he might actually use*, but nothing's come of it.  Larry McVoy 
is trying to get a source code repository thing called BitKeeper up to 
Linus's standards, but that's been going on for at least two years and isn't 
ready yet...

The other major emerging fork seems to be Andrea Arcangelli's (the -aa 
patches), but I haven't really been following it seperately.  Andrea is VERY 
good at about splitting patches out seperately on his web page, though.  (I 
don't know it off the top of my head, but Google could find Jimmy Hoffa given 
half a chance, so try that.)

Hopefully 2.5 will be out by the end of 2003, at which point Alan will 
probably inherit 2.4 maintenance.  (Which VM we go with at that point is an 
open question. :)

Rob

* The proposal was to feed Linus a patch application perl script.  The way 
linus applies patches is he saves email he likes to a big file, and then goes 
patch -p1 < thebigfile at the end of an email reading session.  The emails 
themselves generally have some kind of description of the patch, as well as 
the patches themselves seperated out into nice small chunks (Linus insists on 
this).

So what we need really is a mailing list of just the emails Linus applies to 
his tree, with the documentation in them.  That's what the perl script would 
do: break them back into seperate emails and mail them out to an otherwise 
read-only list, in addition to calling patch on Linus's tree.  This would be 
REALLY nice in terms of people who want to keep granular CVS repositories, 
too, and wouldn't be any extra work for Linus...

Does this sound like an idea to anybody else?

Re: linux-kernel-announce?

[john slee]

[ trimmed cc list ]

On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 09:01:10PM -0400, Rob Landley wrote:
> Now Alan Cox not only does a pretty good job of ac-release logs, but he has a 
> diary as well (http://www.linux.org.uk/diary).  I'm unaware of being able to 
> get Alan's release announcements as read-only a mailing list, but I suppose 
> if somebody suggested the idea to him he might not be too opposed to it.  
> Good luck getting through his spam-blocker, though.

with a little procmail magic this can be done automatically from a
dedicated linux-kernel subscriber mailbox, but beware of loops and it
would be best to ask alan first ;-D

j.

-- 
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 I G G G   here without opposable thumbs." -- gary larson

Re: linux-kernel-announce?

[Russell King]

On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 09:01:10PM -0400, Rob Landley wrote:
> Now Alan Cox not only does a pretty good job of ac-release logs, but he has a 
> diary as well (http://www.linux.org.uk/diary).  I'm unaware of being able to 
> get Alan's release announcements as read-only a mailing list, but I suppose 
> if somebody suggested the idea to him he might not be too opposed to it.  

I did setup a list for this purpose on zenII, aka www.linux.org.uk.
See:

	http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/patching-time

(the name was suggested by Alan).

All it needs are some subscribers and Alan to post release announcements
there.  It is setup as a read-only list in as far as Alan is the only
person who is allowed to post to the list.

--
Russell King (rmk@arm.linux.org.uk)                The developer of ARM Linux
             http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/personal/aboutme.html

Re: linux-kernel-announce?

[Chris Howells]

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On Monday 01 Oct 2001 18:00, Matti Aarnio wrote:
>
 	If you look at:
> 		http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html
>
> 	you will notice that   linux-kernel-announce  list actually exists,
> 	and has 434 subscribers (or had when the HTML page was generated
> 	less than 24 hours ago... -- it is generated once a day.)

That would seem to be the perfect solution, if it was actually used -- I had 
a look at some archives, and there seemed to be only a few irrelevant posts.

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Re: linux-kernel-announce?

[Chris Howells]

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On Monday 01 Oct 2001 20:48, Mike Fedyk wrote:

> The problem with that, is that there is usually a reply to the announcement
> that is helpful before you compile it.  Many times there is even a small
> patch (usually for pre or -ac kernels) that fixes some small oversight.

You're absolutely right, although I haven't run any -pre or -ac kernels, so 
that's not a real concern to me

> At the moment, if you want to run the latest kernel, you should be reading
> this list.

Well, the latest _stable_ (e.g. 2.4.9, 2.4.10) -- I've been doing that since 
about 2.2.14, and haven't had any problems :)

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Re: linux-kernel-announce?

[Chris Howells]

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On Tuesday 02 Oct 2001 02:01, Rob Landley wrote:

> What people have wanted for a while is a high signal low noise condensed
> new-kernel-news mailing list.

That sounds like it would be a great idea.

> The closest we have right now is the weekly
> linux-kernel digests:kernel traffic at http://kt.zork.net, and the "kernel"
> page of Linux weekly news http://lwn.net.

Yes, I read them.

> Now Alan Cox not only does a pretty good job of ac-release logs, but he has
> a diary as well (http://www.linux.org.uk/diary).  I'm unaware of being able
> to get Alan's release announcements as read-only a mailing list, but I
> suppose if somebody suggested the idea to him he might not be too opposed
> to it. Good luck getting through his spam-blocker, though.

Sounds like a great idea -- if Linus could do the same, even better :)

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