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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: apic and 8254 wraparound ...
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:08:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041226180806.GA1334@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041225224843.GA32726@mail.13thfloor.at>

Hi!

> > When you read one 8bit value from an 8254 timer the values latch for
> > read so that when you read the other half of the 16bit value you get the
> > value from the moment of the first read. On 
> > neptune that didn't work right so you got halves of two differing
> > samples. That means the error would be worst case a bit under 300 (257
> > for the wrap + a few for timing)
> 
> okay, I still wasn't able to find the documentation 
> at the intel site, but I could extrapolate the issue
> from your explanation (thanks by the way)
> 
> get_8254_timer_count() reads lo byte first, then the 
> high byte, so assuming that the latch doesn't work
> as expected on intel 430 NX and LX chipsets, can 
> result in the following type of error:
> 
> counter >= 2^8 * N, 	LO is read (for example 0)
> counter is decremented
> counter <  2^8 * N  	HI is read (N - 1)
> 
> so the read value will be exactly 2^8 lower than
> expected (assumed that the counter doesn't do more
> than 256 counts between the two inb_p()s)
> 
> second the wrap-around will always happen _after_
> the counter reached zero, so we can further assume
> that the prev_count, has to be lower than 2^8, when
> we observe a wraparound (otherwise we don't care)
> 
> let's further assume the counter does not decrement
> more than 2^7 between two consecutive gets, then we
> can change the wraparound check to something like
> this:
> 
>         curr_count = get_8254_timer_count();
> 
> 	do {
>         	prev_count = curr_count;
> 	redo:
>         	curr_count = get_8254_timer_count();
> 
> 		/* workaround for broken Mercury/Neptune */
> 		if (prev_count - current_count >= 256)
> 	    		goto redo;
> 
> 		/* ignore values far off from zero */
>     		if (prev_count > 128)
> 	    		continue;
> 
> 	} while (prev_count >= curr_count)
> 
> 
> basically the check for (prev_count > 128) can be
> removed but it feels a little more comfortable ...
> 
> would such change be acceptable for mainline?

Not sure... Reading time is quite performance critical; doing it twice
would be bad. It should be acceptable if it was only done on
Mercury/Neptune systems.
								Pavel
-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-12-26 18:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-24  0:11 apic and 8254 wraparound Herbert Poetzl
2004-12-23 23:37 ` Alan Cox
2004-12-24 20:00   ` Herbert Poetzl
2004-12-24 19:40     ` Alan Cox
2004-12-25 22:48       ` Herbert Poetzl
2004-12-26 18:08         ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2004-12-26 19:42           ` Herbert Poetzl

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