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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
Subject: Re: BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:25:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090910202543.GG6421@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AA69F3A.4090600@arcor.de>

On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 09:15:22PM +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 09/07/2009 02:01 PM, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
>> That looks eventually benchmarkable. This is about latency.
>> For example, you could try to run high load tasks in the
>> background and then launch a task that wakes up in middle/large
>> periods to do something. You could measure the time it takes to wake
>> it up to perform what it wants.
>>
>> We have some events tracing infrastructure in the kernel that can
>> snapshot the wake up and sched switch events.
>>
>> Having CONFIG_EVENT_TRACING=y should be sufficient for that.
>>
>> You just need to mount a debugfs point, say in /debug.
>>
>> Then you can activate these sched events by doing:
>>
>> echo 0>  /debug/tracing/tracing_on
>> echo 1>  /debug/tracing/events/sched/sched_switch/enable
>> echo 1>  /debug/tracing/events/sched/sched_wake_up/enable
>>
>> #Launch your tasks
>>
>> echo 1>  /debug/tracing/tracing_on
>>
>> #Wait for some time
>>
>> echo 0>  /debug/tracing/tracing_off
>>
>> That will require some parsing of the result in /debug/tracing/trace
>> to get the delays between wake_up events and switch in events
>> for the task that periodically wakes up and then produce some
>> statistics such as the average or the maximum latency.
>>
>> That's a bit of a rough approach to measure such latencies but that
>> should work.
>
> I've tried this with 2.6.31-rc9 while running mplayer and alt+tabbing  
> repeatedly to the point where mplayer starts to stall and drop frames.  
> This produced a 4.1MB trace file (132k bzip2'ed):
>
>     http://foss.math.aegean.gr/~realnc/kernel/trace1.bz2
>
> Uncompressed for online viewing:
>
>     http://foss.math.aegean.gr/~realnc/kernel/trace1
>
> I must admit that I don't know what it is I'm looking at :P


Hehe :-)

Basically you have samples of two kind of events:

- wake up (when thread A wakes up B)

The format is as follows:


	task-pid
	(the waker A)
	   |
	   |     cpu     timestamp   event-name        wakee(B)    prio    status
	   |      |          |           |               |          |        |
	X-11482 [001]  1023.219246: sched_wakeup: task kwin:11571 [120] success=1

Here X is awakening kwin.


- sched switch (when the scheduler stops A and launches B)

	                                            A, task                  B, task
	                                            that gets                that gets
	                                            sched                    sched
                                                     out                      in
	  A      cpu    timestamp     event-name       |       A prio          |        B prio
	  |       |         |             |            |         |             |          |
	X-11482 [001]  1023.219247: sched_switch: task X:11482 [120] (R) ==> kwin:11571 [120]
	                                                              |
	                                                              |
                                                                    State of A
For A state we can have either:

R: TASK_RUNNING, the task is not sleeping but it is rescheduled for later
   to let another task run

S: TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE, the task is sleeping, waiting for an event that may
   wake it up. The task can be waked by a signal

D: TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE, same as above but can't be waked by a signal.


Now what could be interesting interesting is to measure the time between
such pair of events:

	- t0: A wakes up B
	- t1: B is sched in

t1 - t0 would then be the scheduler latency, or at least part of it:

The scheduler latency may be an addition of several factors:

	- the time it takes for the actual wake up to perform (re-insert
	  the task into a runqueue, which can be subject to the runqueue(s)
	  design, the rebalancing if needed, etc..

	- the time between a task is waked up and the scheduler eventually
	  decide to schedule it in.

	- the time it takes to perform the task switch, which is not only
	  in the scheduler scope. But the time it takes may depend of a
	  rebalancing decision (cache cold, etc..)

Unfortunately we can only measure the second part with the above ftrace
events. But that's still an interesting scheduler abstract that is a
large part of the scheduler latency.

We could write a tiny parser that could walk through such ftrace traces
and produce some average, maximum, standard deviation numbers.

But we have userspace tools that can parse ftrace events (through perf
counter), so I'm trying to write something there, hopefully I could get
a relevant end result.

Thanks.
                                                                    


  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-10 20:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 224+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-06 20:59 BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements Ingo Molnar
2009-09-07  2:05 ` Frans Pop
2009-09-07 12:16   ` [quad core results] " Ingo Molnar
2009-09-07 12:36     ` Stefan Richter
2009-09-07 13:41     ` Markus Tornqvist
2009-09-07 13:59       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-09  5:54         ` Markus Tornqvist
2009-09-07 14:45       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-07 15:20         ` Frans Pop
2009-09-07 15:36           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-07 15:47             ` Frans Pop
2009-09-07 15:24         ` Xavier Bestel
2009-09-07 15:37           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-07 16:00           ` Diego Calleja
2009-09-07 15:34     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-07  3:38 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-07 11:01   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-08 18:15     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-10 20:25       ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2009-09-07 14:40   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-08  7:19     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08  8:31       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-08 20:22         ` Frans Pop
2009-09-08 21:10           ` Michal Schmidt
2009-09-08 21:11           ` Frans Pop
2009-09-08 21:40             ` GeunSik Lim
2009-09-08 22:36               ` Frans Pop
2009-09-09  9:53           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-09 11:14             ` David Newall
2009-09-09 11:32               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-09 11:55             ` Frans Pop
2009-09-11  1:36               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-16 18:27                 ` Frans Pop
2009-09-17  1:29                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-10-01  9:36                     ` Frans Pop
2009-09-08  8:38       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-08 10:13         ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 11:32           ` Juergen Beisert
2009-09-08 22:00             ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 23:20               ` Jiri Kosina
2009-09-08 23:38                 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 12:03           ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-08 21:28             ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 14:20           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-08 22:53             ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-07 23:54   ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2009-09-08 11:30     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-07  3:50 ` Con Kolivas
2009-09-07 18:20   ` Jerome Glisse
2009-09-07  9:49 ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 10:12   ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-07 10:41     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 11:57   ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 14:14     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-07 17:38       ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 20:44         ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:13           ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-08 15:23             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 20:34               ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-09  6:13                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-09  8:34                   ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-09  8:52                   ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-09  9:02                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-09  9:18                       ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-09  9:05                     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-09  9:17                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-09  9:40                         ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-09 10:17                           ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-10 19:45                         ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-09-10 20:06                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 20:39                             ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-09-10 20:42                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 21:19                                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-09-11  9:26                                   ` Mat
2009-09-12 11:26                                     ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-09-09  9:10                     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-09 11:54                       ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-09 12:20                         ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-09 18:04                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-09 20:12                             ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-09 20:50                               ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10  1:02                                 ` Con Kolivas
2009-09-10 11:03                                   ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10  3:15                               ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-10  6:08                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10  6:40                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10  9:54                                   ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 10:03                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 10:11                                       ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 10:28                                         ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 10:57                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-10 11:09                                             ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 11:21                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-10 11:24                                                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 11:28                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-10 11:35                                                     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 11:42                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-10 16:02                                 ` Bret Towe
2009-09-10 16:05                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-10 16:12                                     ` Bret Towe
2009-09-10 16:26                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 16:33                                         ` Bret Towe
2009-09-10 17:03                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 17:53                                 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-10 18:46                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 18:51                                   ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Disable NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS for now tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 18:57                                   ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Fix sched::sched_stat_wait tracepoint field tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10  9:48                             ` BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements Jens Axboe
2009-09-10  9:59                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 10:01                                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10  6:55                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-10  6:58                             ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10  7:04                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10  9:44                                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10  9:45                                   ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 13:53                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-09-10  7:33                               ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10  7:49                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10  7:53                                   ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 10:02                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 10:09                                       ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 18:00                                       ` [crash, bisected] Re: clocksource: Resolve cpu hotplug dead lock with TSC unstable Ingo Molnar
2009-09-11  7:37                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-11  7:48                                           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-09-11 13:33                                           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-09-11 18:22                                             ` [tip:timers/core] clocksource: Resolve cpu hotplug dead lock with TSC unstable, fix crash tip-bot for Martin Schwidefsky
2009-09-14 15:19                                             ` [crash, bisected] Re: clocksource: Resolve cpu hotplug dead lock with TSC unstable Ingo Molnar
2009-09-14 15:37                                               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-09-14 17:59                                               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-09-10  6:59                             ` BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements Ingo Molnar
2009-09-09 12:48                         ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-09 15:37                     ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Turn off child_runs_first tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2009-09-09 17:57                       ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-09 18:08                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-09 18:59                           ` Chris Friesen
2009-09-09 19:48                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-09 15:37                     ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Re-tune the scheduler latency defaults to decrease worst-case latencies tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2009-09-12 11:45                       ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-09-09 15:37                     ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Keep kthreads at default priority tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2009-09-09 16:55                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-09-09 17:06                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-09 17:34                           ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-12 11:48                             ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-09-12 12:19                               ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-09 11:52               ` BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-07 18:02   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-07 18:46     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 20:36       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-07 20:46         ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 21:03           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-07 21:05             ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 22:18               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-09  7:38   ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-10 12:19     ` latt location (Was Re: BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements) Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 15:16 ` BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements Michael Buesch
2009-09-07 18:26   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-07 18:47     ` Daniel Walker
2009-09-07 18:51     ` Michael Buesch
2009-09-07 20:57       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-07 23:24         ` Pekka Pietikainen
2009-09-08  8:04           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-08  8:13             ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 10:12               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-08 10:40                 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 11:35                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-08 19:06                     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 12:00                 ` el_es
2009-09-08 15:45         ` Michael Buesch
2009-09-08  7:48     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-08  9:50       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-08 13:09         ` Ralf Baechle
2009-09-09  1:36           ` Felix Fietkau
2009-09-08 13:09         ` Felix Fietkau
2009-09-09  0:28           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-09  0:37             ` David Miller
2009-09-08 14:45       ` Michael Buesch
2009-09-18 11:24         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-18 14:46           ` Felix Fietkau
2009-09-19 18:01             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-19 18:43               ` Felix Fietkau
2009-09-19 19:39                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-19 20:15                   ` Felix Fietkau
2009-09-19 20:22                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-19 20:33                       ` Felix Fietkau
2009-09-20 18:10                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-08 12:57 ` Epic regression in throughput since v2.6.23 Serge Belyshev
2009-09-08 17:47   ` Jesse Brandeburg
2009-09-08 18:20     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 19:00     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-09-08 19:20       ` Serge Belyshev
2009-09-08 19:26         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-09-08 18:37   ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 22:15   ` Serge Belyshev
2009-09-09 15:52     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-09 20:49       ` Serge Belyshev
2009-09-09 21:23         ` Cory Fields
2009-09-10  6:53         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 23:23           ` Serge Belyshev
2009-09-11  6:10             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-11  8:55               ` Serge Belyshev
2009-09-13 15:27               ` Serge Belyshev
2009-09-13 15:47                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-13 19:17                   ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-14  6:15                     ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-16 19:45                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-16 23:18                   ` Serge Belyshev
2009-09-17  4:55                     ` [patchlet] " Mike Galbraith
2009-09-17  5:06                       ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-17  7:21                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10  7:43 ` [updated] BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements Ingo Molnar
2009-09-14  9:46 ` Phoronix CFS vs BFS bencharks Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-14 11:35   ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]     ` <f42384a10909140727k463ff460q3859892dcb79bcc5@mail.gmail.com>
2009-09-14 15:32       ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-14 19:14         ` Marcin Letyns
2009-09-14 20:49           ` Willy Tarreau
2009-09-15  8:37             ` Mike Galbraith
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-09-10 21:17 BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements Martin Steigerwald
2009-09-11 10:10 Mat
2009-09-11 18:33 Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-09-12  7:37 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-12  7:51   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-12  8:27   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-09-12  9:03     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-12  9:34       ` Volker Armin Hemmann

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