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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Nicholas Miell <nmiell@comcast.net>,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com, josh@joshtriplett.org,
	dvhltc@us.ibm.com, niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	peterz@infradead.org, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
	dhowells@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [patch 2/3] scheduler: add full memory barriers upon task switch at runqueue lock/unlock
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:56:29 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100201195629.GA27665@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1002011028190.4206@localhost.localdomain>

* Linus Torvalds (torvalds@linux-foundation.org) wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > 
> > Here is the detailed execution scenario showing the race.
> 
> No. You've added random smp_mb() calls, but you don't actually show what 
> the f*ck they are protecting against.
> 
> For example
> 
> > First sys_membarrier smp_mb():
> 
> I'm not AT ALL interested in the sys_membarrier() parts. You can hav ea 
> million memory barriers there, and I won't care. I'm interested in what 
> you think the memory barriers elsewhere protect against. It's a barrier 
> between _which_ two operations? 
> 
> You can't say it's a barrier "around" the
> 
> 	cpumask_clear(mm_cpumask, cpu);
> 
> because a barrier is between two things. So if you want to add two 
> barriers around that mm_cpumask acces, you need to describe the _three_ 
> events you're barriers between in that call-path (with mm_cpumask being 
> just one of them)
> 
> And then, once you've described _those_ three events, you describe what 
> the sys_membarrier interaction is, and how mm_cpumask is involved there.
> 
> I'm not interested in the user-space code. Don't even quote it. It's 
> irrelevant apart from the actual semantics you want to guarantee for the 
> new membarrier() system call. So don't quote the code, just explain what 
> the actual barriers are.
> 

The two event pairs we are looking at are:

Pair 1)

* memory accesses (load/stores) performed by user-space thread before
  context switch.
* cpumask_clear_cpu(cpu, mm_cpumask(prev));

Pair 2)

* cpumask_set_cpu(cpu, mm_cpumask(next));
* memory accessses (load/stores) performed by user-space thread after
  context switch.

I can see two ways to add memory barriers in switch_mm that would
provide ordering for these two memory access pairs:

Either A)

switch_mm()
  smp_mb__before_clear_bit();
  cpumask_clear_cpu(cpu, mm_cpumask(prev));
  cpumask_set_cpu(cpu, mm_cpumask(next));
  smp_mb__after_set_bit();

or B)

switch_mm()
  cpumask_set_cpu(cpu, mm_cpumask(next));
  smp_mb__before_clear_bit();
  cpumask_clear_cpu(cpu, mm_cpumask(prev));

(B) seems like a clear win, as we get the ordering right for both pairs
with a single memory barrier, but I don't know if changing the set/clear
bit order could have nasty side-effects on other mm_cpumask users.

sys_membarrier uses the mm_cpumask to iterate on all CPUs on which the
current process's mm is in use, so it can issue a smp_mb() through an
IPI on all CPUs that need it. Without appropriate ordering of pairs 1-2
detailed above, we could miss a CPU that actually needs a memory
barrier.

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
OpenPGP key fingerprint: 8CD5 52C3 8E3C 4140 715F  BA06 3F25 A8FE 3BAE 9A68

  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-01 19:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-31 20:52 [patch 0/3] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v8) Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-31 20:52 ` [patch 1/3] Create spin lock/spin unlock with distinct memory barrier Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01  7:25   ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 14:08     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01  7:28   ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 14:10     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 15:22   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 15:41     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-31 20:52 ` [patch 2/3] scheduler: add full memory barriers upon task switch at runqueue lock/unlock Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01  7:33   ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01  9:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-01 10:11       ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 10:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-01 10:49           ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 14:47             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 14:58               ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 15:23                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 15:44                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 16:00                   ` Mike Galbraith
2010-02-01 15:27   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 16:09     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 16:23       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 16:48         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 16:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 17:45             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 18:00               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 18:36               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 19:56                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2010-02-01 20:42                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 22:42                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 20:33                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 20:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 22:39                     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 23:09                       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 17:13           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 17:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 16:24       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 16:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-01 16:46           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 16:11     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-31 20:52 ` [patch 3/3] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v8) Mathieu Desnoyers

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