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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Nicholas Miell <nmiell@comcast.net>,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com, josh@joshtriplett.org,
	dvhltc@us.ibm.com, niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	peterz@infradead.org, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
	dhowells@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [patch 2/3] scheduler: add full memory barriers upon task switch at runqueue lock/unlock
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 08:23:34 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1002010816030.4206@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100201160929.GA3032@Krystal>



On Mon, 1 Feb 2010, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> 
> However, this does not deal with mm_cpumask update, and we cannot use
> the per-cpu rq lock, as it's a process-wide data structure updated with
> clear_bit/set_bit in switch_mm(). So at the very least, we would have to
> add memory barriers in switch_mm() on some architectures to deal with
> this.

I'd much rather have a "switch_mm()" is a guaranteed memory barrier logic, 
because quite frankly, I don't see how it ever couldn't be one anyway. It 
fundamentally needs to do at least a TLB context switch (which may be just 
switching an ASI around, not flushing the whole TLB, of course), and I bet 
that for 99% of all architectures, that is already pretty much guaranteed 
to be equivalent to a memory barrier.

It certainly is for x86. "mov to cr0" is serializing (setting any control 
register except cr8 is serializing). And I strongly suspect other 
architectures will be too.

Btw, one reason to strongly prefer "switch_mm()" over any random context 
switch is that at least it won't affect inter-thread (kernel or user-land) 
switching, including switching to/from the idle thread.

So I'd be _much_ more open to a "let's guarantee that 'switch_mm()' always 
implies a memory barrier" model than to playing clever games with 
spinlocks.

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-01 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-31 20:52 [patch 0/3] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v8) Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-31 20:52 ` [patch 1/3] Create spin lock/spin unlock with distinct memory barrier Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01  7:25   ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 14:08     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01  7:28   ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 14:10     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 15:22   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 15:41     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-31 20:52 ` [patch 2/3] scheduler: add full memory barriers upon task switch at runqueue lock/unlock Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01  7:33   ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01  9:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-01 10:11       ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 10:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-01 10:49           ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 14:47             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 14:58               ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 15:23                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 15:44                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 16:00                   ` Mike Galbraith
2010-02-01 15:27   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 16:09     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 16:23       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2010-02-01 16:48         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 16:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 17:45             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 18:00               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 18:36               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 19:56                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 20:42                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 22:42                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 20:33                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 20:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 22:39                     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 23:09                       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 17:13           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 17:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 16:24       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 16:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-01 16:46           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 16:11     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-31 20:52 ` [patch 3/3] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v8) Mathieu Desnoyers

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