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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	ellyjones@chromium.org, Kay Sievers <kay@vrfy.org>,
	Roland Eggner <edvx1@systemanalysen.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] devtmpfs: mount with noexec and nosuid
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:53:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121120235353.3092c8d2@pyramind.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5jJv58UGwsWM=+ZSnaNpymh6Sm6xSjc0JuT+QoZ9U2++rw@mail.gmail.com>

> > 1. Why not just have your userspace mount -o remount the file system this
> > way already in early boot. (and if you trojanned boot that early then any
> > supposed security gain is already lost)
> 
> That's certainly possible, but I am hoping to avoid adding any extra
> boot time. The kernel is responsible for this mount, so its flags
> should be configurable, resulting in no time penalty anywhere.

You just broke my bullshitometer

It's a single syscall from your init binary, its microseconds.

> > 2. If you want to do this right then you need to work out what you are
> > trying to prevent. Your devtmpfs can force file permissions on the
> > underlying device nodes by having its own operation handling for chmod.
> >
> > At that point you can force permissions on anything that you want to
> > avoid floating around that filesystem with other rights, while not
> > touching it on device or directory nodes where the meaning is different.
> >
> > In its current form however it appears to be a kernel implementation of
> > "mount is too hard".
> 
> This change also stops mmap() with PROT_EXEC which a chmod handler
> wouldn't be able to do.

You don't want to stop mmap with PROT_EXEC on /dev/mem as that breaks a
load of stuff, you want to stop people adding stuff to that file system
and executing it.

Think about it more carefully - if I've got access to /dev/mem you
already lost.

The patch is as is nonsense. It's doable in all kernels (including
existing legacy ones) as a single syscall in your init code. That's
portable back compatible and works all over the place. Your patch
introduces a pointless config option to make things less compatible than
before. It's bogus.

Alan



  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-20 23:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-20 20:42 [PATCH v2] devtmpfs: mount with noexec and nosuid Kees Cook
2012-11-20 20:54 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2012-11-20 21:41   ` Kees Cook
2012-11-20 21:13 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-20 21:49   ` Kees Cook
2012-11-20 23:53     ` Alan Cox [this message]
2012-11-20 23:53       ` Kees Cook
2012-11-21  0:24         ` Alan Cox
2012-11-21  0:41           ` Kees Cook
2012-11-21  1:00             ` Alan Cox
2012-11-21  0:13 ` Kay Sievers
2012-11-21  0:18   ` Kees Cook
2012-11-21  0:32     ` Alan Cox

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