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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Preeti U Murthy <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/10] sched: Migrate sched to use new tick dependency mask model
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 19:30:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150803173031.GB26022@lerouge> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150803170911.GV25159@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 07:09:11PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 04:50:33PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > I think I could remove the context switch part. But then I need to find a
> > way to perform these checks on enqueue and dequeue task time:
> 
> Uhm, but you already do!?

Sure but I would like to avoid adding a context switch step, although
dequeuing itself often happens on context switch but we don't have
the choice but to check at that step.

> > So we can divide the dependency into:
> > 
> >          struct rq {
> > 	     ...
> > 	     int nr_fifo;
> > 	     int nr_rr;
> 
> Those are currently summed together in: rq->rt.rt_nr_total, I suppose we
> can split RR out.

Right

> 
> > 	     int nr_normal;
> 
> That's called: rq->cfs.h_nr_running

Ok.

> 
> But you've forgotten about SCHED_DEADLINE, we count those in:
> rq->dl.dl_nr_running.

Indeed. Hmm, there is no preemption between SCHED_DEALINE tasks, right?
So I can treat it like SCHED_FIFO.

> > 	}
> > 
> > 
> > 	int rq_update_tick_dep(struct rq *rq)
> > 	{
> > 	     if (rq->nr_fifo && (rq->nr_rr > 1 || rq->nr_normal > 1))

Oops I meant:

    if (rq->nr_fifo || (rq->nr_rr < 2 && rq->nr_normal < 2))
       clear_dep()
    else
       set_dep()

> > 	         tick_nohz_set_dep(SCHED_TICK_DEP);
> >              else
> > 	         tick_nohz_set_dep(SCHED_TICK_DEP)
> >         }
> > 
> > Then we add or dec the relevant counter fields from the various
> > sched_class::enqueue/dequeue.  I think I saw some of these counters
> > already exist but perhaps not all of them. There are per class rqs but
> > rt_nr_running counts tasks without distinction of policies.
> 
> Right. At which point you'll end up with:
> 
> 	if (rq->dl.dl_nr_running > 1 || rq->rt.rr_nr_total > 1 || rq->cfs.h_nr_running > 1)
> 		tick_nohz_set_dep(SCHED_TICK_DEP)
> 	else
> 		tick_nohz_clear_dep(SCHED_TICK_DEP)

It there is no preemption between deadline tasks, and SCHED_DEALINE is of higher
priority than SCHED_RR that would rather be:

        if (rq->dl.dl_nr_running || rq->rt.ff_nr_running || (rq->rt.rr_nr_running < 2 && rq->cfs.h_nr_running < 2))
	    clear_dep()
	else
	    set_dep()

> 
> But I fear that'll still be rather expensive in some cases. Imagine a
> case where we frequently flip between 1-2 tasks on the queue for any one
> of those classes, then we'll do a whole bunch of dep flips, which is an
> atomic op.

Indeed. Now doing such a thing on a nohz full CPU sounds insane.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-03 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-23 16:42 [PATCH 00/10] nohz: Tick dependency mask v2 Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 01/10] nohz: Remove idle task special case Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 02/10] nohz: Restart nohz full tick from irq exit Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 03/10] nohz: Move tick_nohz_restart_sched_tick() above its users Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 04/10] nohz: Remove useless argument on tick_nohz_task_switch() Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 12:39   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 12:49     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 13:04       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 05/10] nohz: New tick dependency mask Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-24 16:55   ` Chris Metcalf
2015-07-24 17:16     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-24 17:43       ` Chris Metcalf
2015-08-03 12:48         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 12:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 13:05     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 13:24       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 13:49         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 12:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 13:09     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 13:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 13:55         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 14:11           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 06/10] perf: Migrate perf to use new tick dependency mask model Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 07/10] sched: Migrate sched " Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-23 16:55   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-24 16:56   ` Chris Metcalf
2015-07-29 13:01     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 14:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 14:50     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 17:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 17:30         ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2015-08-04  7:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-10 14:02             ` Juri Lelli
2015-08-10 14:16               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-10 14:28                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-10 15:11                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-10 15:29                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-10 15:43                       ` Juri Lelli
2015-08-10 16:41                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-10 15:33                 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 08/10] posix-cpu-timers: Migrate " Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-24 16:57   ` Chris Metcalf
2015-07-29 13:23     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-29 17:24       ` Chris Metcalf
2015-07-30  0:44         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-30 14:31           ` Luiz Capitulino
2015-07-30 14:46             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-30 19:35           ` Chris Metcalf
2015-07-30 19:45             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-30 19:52               ` Chris Metcalf
2015-07-31 14:49                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 15:59                   ` Chris Metcalf
2015-08-03 18:01                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 17:12                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 17:39                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 19:07                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-06 17:13                       ` Chris Metcalf
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 09/10] sched-clock: " Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 10/10] nohz: Remove task switch obsolete tick dependency check Frederic Weisbecker

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