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From: luca abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it>
To: Xunlei Pang <xpang@redhat.com>
Cc: Xunlei Pang <xlpang@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@unitn.it>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/3] sched/deadline: Throttle the task when missing its deadline
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 09:01:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170512090158.15c94ae8@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <59155BED.7090406@redhat.com>

Hi,

On Fri, 12 May 2017 14:53:33 +0800
Xunlei Pang <xpang@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 05/12/2017 at 01:57 PM, luca abeni wrote:
> > Hi again,
> >
> > (sorry for the previous email; I replied from gmail and I did not
> > realize I was sending it in html).
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 12 May 2017 11:32:08 +0800
> > Xunlei Pang <xlpang@redhat.com> wrote:
> >  
> >> dl_runtime_exceeded() only checks negative runtime, actually
> >> when the current deadline past, we should start a new period
> >> and zero out the remaining runtime as well.  
> > In this case, I think global EDF wants to allow the task to run with
> > its remaining runtime even also missing a deadline, so I think this
> > change is not correct.
> > (when using global EDF, tasks scheduled on multiple CPUs can miss
> > their deadlines... Setting the runtime to 0 as soon as a deadline
> > is missed would break global EDF scheduling)  
> 
> Hi Luca,
> 
> Thanks for the comment, looks like I neglected the theoretical
> analysis.
> 
> Cited from Documentation/scheduler/sched-deadline.txt:
>  "As a matter of fact, in this case it is possible to provide an
> upper bound for tardiness (defined as the maximum between 0 and the
> difference between the finishing time of a job and its absolute
> deadline). More precisely, it can be proven that using a global EDF
> scheduler the maximum tardiness of each task is smaller or equal than
>     ((M − 1) · WCET_max − WCET_min)/(M − (M − 2) · U_max) + WCET_m
>  where WCET_max = max{WCET_i} is the maximum WCET,
> WCET_min=min{WCET_i} is the minimum WCET, and U_max = max{WCET_i/P_i}
> is the maximum utilization[12]."
> 
> And
>  "As seen, enforcing that the total utilization is smaller than M
> does not guarantee that global EDF schedules the tasks without
> missing any deadline (in other words, global EDF is not an optimal
> scheduling algorithm). However, a total utilization smaller than M is
> enough to guarantee that non real-time tasks are not starved and that
> the tardiness of real-time tasks has an upper bound[12] (as
> previously noted). Different bounds on the maximum tardiness
> experienced by real-time tasks have been developed in various
> papers[13,14], but the theoretical result that is important for
> SCHED_DEADLINE is that if the total utilization is smaller or equal
> than M then the response times of the tasks are limited."
> 
> Do you mean there is some tardiness allowed in theory(global EDF is
> not an optimal scheduling algorithm), thus missed deadline is allowed
> for global EDF?

Right.

With the admission test currently used by the kernel (sum of
utilizations <= 1), tasks are guaranteed to have a tardiness smaller
than a theoretical maximum... But this theoretical maximum can be larger
than 0.

If you want to strictly respect all of the deadlines, you need a
stricter admission test (for example, the one based on WCET_max that is
mentioned above).



				Luca

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-12  7:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-12  3:32 [PATCH v2 1/3] sched/deadline: Zero out positive runtime after throttling constrained tasks Xunlei Pang
2017-05-12  3:32 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] sched/deadline: Throttle the task when missing its deadline Xunlei Pang
2017-05-12  5:57   ` luca abeni
2017-05-12  6:53     ` Xunlei Pang
2017-05-12  7:01       ` luca abeni [this message]
2017-05-12  7:19         ` Xunlei Pang
2017-05-12 20:58           ` luca abeni
2017-05-15  3:50             ` Xunlei Pang
2017-05-12  3:32 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] sched/deadline: Add statistics to track runtime underruns Xunlei Pang
2017-05-15  4:07 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] sched/deadline: Zero out positive runtime after throttling constrained tasks Xunlei Pang

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