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From: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>
To: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Changbin Du <changbin.du@gmail.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] tracing/probes: uaccess: Add support user-space access
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 16:41:04 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190227164104.5f53f029a7fec898204e9b67@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190226213850.GA219025@google.com>

On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 16:38:50 -0500
Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 11:04:42PM +0900, Masami Hiramatsu wrote:

> > Note that kprobe event provides these methods, but it doesn't
> > change it from kernel to user automatically because we do not
> > know whether the given address is in userspace or kernel on
> > some arch.
> > Moreover, from perf-probe, at this moment it is not able to
> > switch. Since __user is not for compiler but checker, we have
> > no clue which data structure is in user-space, in debuginfo.
> > 
> > BTW, according to Linus's comment, I implemented probe_user_read()
> > and strncpy_from_unsafe_user() APIs. And since those use
> > "access_ok()" inside it, if CONFIG_DEBUG_ATOMIC_SLEEP=y on x86,
> > it will get a warn message at once. It should be solved before
> > merging this series.
> 
> I was wondering why access_ok() can sleep. In the arm64 and x86
> implementation, I don't see access_ok() itself causing a user pointer
> dereference access that can cause a page fault. It seems to just be checking
> the validity of the ranges.
> 
> Any idea why the access_ok() code has these comments?
> "Context: User context only. This function may sleep if pagefaults are
> enabled."

Because access_ok() is used only for preparing accessing user-space,
and the user-space access may cause page-fault and sleep.

IMHO, checking in access_ok() inside it is reasonable, but as it
commented, it is for "if pagefaults are enabled.". What we need another 
access_ok() for the case when pagefaults are disabled, that is what PeterZ
suggested in below mail.

https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20190225150603.GE32494@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net/T/#u


Thank you,

> 
> My _guess_ is this is because whatever calls access_ok() may also call
> something else that *does* fault next, if that's the case then that
> WARN_ON_IN_IRQ() in access_ok() is fine, but at least I guess the comments
> should be more clear that it is not access_ok() itself that sleeps.
> 
> thanks for any help on understanding this,
> 
>  - Joel
> 
> 
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > Masami Hiramatsu (4):
> >       uaccess: Make sure kernel_uaccess_faults_ok is updated before pagefault
> >       uaccess: Add non-pagefault user-space read functions
> >       tracing/probe: Add ustring type for user-space string
> >       tracing/probe: Support user-space dereference
> > 
> > 
> >  Documentation/trace/kprobetrace.rst  |   13 ++-
> >  Documentation/trace/uprobetracer.rst |    9 +-
> >  fs/namespace.c                       |    2 
> >  include/linux/uaccess.h              |   13 +++
> >  kernel/trace/trace.c                 |    7 +-
> >  kernel/trace/trace_kprobe.c          |   65 ++++++++++++++++
> >  kernel/trace/trace_probe.c           |   39 ++++++++--
> >  kernel/trace/trace_probe.h           |    3 +
> >  kernel/trace/trace_probe_tmpl.h      |   36 +++++++--
> >  kernel/trace/trace_uprobe.c          |   19 +++++
> >  mm/maccess.c                         |  138 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++----
> >  11 files changed, 302 insertions(+), 42 deletions(-)
> > 
> > --
> > Masami Hiramatsu (Linaro) <mhiramat@kernel.org>


-- 
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>

  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-27  7:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-25 14:04 [RFC PATCH 0/4] tracing/probes: uaccess: Add support user-space access Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-25 14:05 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] uaccess: Make sure kernel_uaccess_faults_ok is updated before pagefault Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-25 14:05 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] uaccess: Add non-pagefault user-space read functions Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-25 15:06   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-25 17:00     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-25 18:16       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-02-26  4:16       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-26 12:24         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-26 15:14           ` [RFC PATCH v2] " Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-26  3:01     ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] " Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-25 17:06   ` Kees Cook
2019-02-26  4:07     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-25 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] tracing/probe: Add ustring type for user-space string Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-25 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] tracing/probe: Support user-space dereference Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-26 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] tracing/probes: uaccess: Add support user-space access Joel Fernandes
2019-02-27  7:41   ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]
2019-02-27  8:00     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-27 11:39       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-27 21:33     ` Joel Fernandes

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