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From: Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@amazon.com>
To: <jannh@google.com>
Cc: <alexander@mihalicyn.com>, <bluca@debian.org>,
	<brauner@kernel.org>, <daan.j.demeyer@gmail.com>,
	<davem@davemloft.net>, <david@readahead.eu>,
	<edumazet@google.com>, <horms@kernel.org>, <jack@suse.cz>,
	<kuba@kernel.org>, <kuniyu@amazon.com>, <lennart@poettering.net>,
	<linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<me@yhndnzj.com>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>, <oleg@redhat.com>,
	<pabeni@redhat.com>, <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	<zbyszek@in.waw.pl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 08/10] net, pidfs, coredump: only allow coredumping tasks to connect to coredump socket
Date: Mon, 5 May 2025 12:35:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250505193828.21759-1-kuniyu@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez35FN6ka4QtrNQ6aKEycQBOpJKy=VyhQDzKTwey+4KOMg@mail.gmail.com>

From: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Date: Mon, 5 May 2025 21:10:28 +0200
> On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 8:41 PM Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@amazon.com> wrote:
> > From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
> > Date: Mon, 5 May 2025 16:06:40 +0200
> > > On Mon, May 05, 2025 at 03:08:07PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> > > > On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 1:14 PM Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > > Make sure that only tasks that actually coredumped may connect to the
> > > > > coredump socket. This restriction may be loosened later in case
> > > > > userspace processes would like to use it to generate their own
> > > > > coredumps. Though it'd be wiser if userspace just exposed a separate
> > > > > socket for that.
> > > >
> > > > This implementation kinda feels a bit fragile to me... I wonder if we
> > > > could instead have a flag inside the af_unix client socket that says
> > > > "this is a special client socket for coredumping".
> > >
> > > Should be easily doable with a sock_flag().
> >
> > This restriction should be applied by BPF LSM.
> 
> I think we shouldn't allow random userspace processes to connect to
> the core dump handling service and provide bogus inputs; that
> unnecessarily increases the risk that a crafted coredump can be used
> to exploit a bug in the service. So I think it makes sense to enforce
> this restriction in the kernel.

It's already restricted by /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern.
We don't need a duplicated logic.

Even when the process holding the listener dies, you can
still avoid such a leak.

e.g.

1. Set up a listener
2. Put the socket into a bpf map
3. Attach LSM at connect()

Then, the LSM checks if the destination socket is

  * listening on the name specified in /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
  * exists in the associated BPF map

So, if the socket is dies and a malicious user tries to hijack
the core_pattern name, LSM still rejects such connect().

Later, the admin can restart the program with different core_pattern.


> 
> My understanding is that BPF LSM creates fairly tight coupling between
> userspace and the kernel implementation, and it is kind of unwieldy
> for userspace. (I imagine the "man 5 core" manpage would get a bit
> longer and describe more kernel implementation detail if you tried to
> show how to write a BPF LSM that is capable of detecting unix domain
> socket connections to a specific address that are not initiated by
> core dumping.) I would like to keep it possible to implement core
> userspace functionality in a best-practice way without needing eBPF.

I think the untrusted user scenario is paranoia in most cases,
and the man page just says "if you really care, use BPF LSM".

If someone can listen on a name AND set it to core_pattern, most
likely something worse already happened.


> 
> > It's hard to loosen such a default restriction as someone might
> > argue that's unexpected and regression.
> 
> If userspace wants to allow other processes to connect to the core
> dumping service, that's easy to implement - userspace can listen on a
> separate address that is not subject to these restrictions.
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-05 19:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-05 11:13 [PATCH RFC v3 00/10] coredump: add coredump socket Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 01/10] coredump: massage format_corname() Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 02/10] coredump: massage do_coredump() Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 03/10] net: reserve prefix Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 04/10] coredump: add coredump socket Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 12:55   ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 13:06     ` Luca Boccassi
2025-05-05 14:46     ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 18:48   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06  8:24     ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 05/10] coredump: validate socket name as it is written Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 06/10] coredump: show supported coredump modes Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 07/10] pidfs, coredump: add PIDFD_INFO_COREDUMP Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 08/10] net, pidfs, coredump: only allow coredumping tasks to connect to coredump socket Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 13:08   ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 14:06     ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 18:40       ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 19:10         ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 19:35           ` Kuniyuki Iwashima [this message]
2025-05-05 19:44             ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 19:55               ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 20:41                 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06  7:39                 ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-06 14:51                   ` Jann Horn
2025-05-06 15:16                     ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-06 19:28                       ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-07 11:50                     ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-05 19:55             ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 20:30               ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06  8:06           ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-06 14:37             ` Jann Horn
2025-05-06 19:18             ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-07 11:51               ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-07 14:22                 ` Lennart Poettering
2025-05-07 22:10                 ` Paul Moore
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 09/10] selftests/pidfd: add PIDFD_INFO_COREDUMP infrastructure Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 10/10] selftests/coredump: add tests for AF_UNIX coredumps Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 14:41 ` [PATCH RFC v3 00/10] coredump: add coredump socket Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-05 14:56   ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 15:38     ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-05 14:59   ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 15:39     ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-05 18:33 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06  7:33   ` Christian Brauner

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