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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, kees@kernel.org, alyssa.milburn@intel.com,
	scott.d.constable@intel.com, joao@overdrivepizza.com,
	andrew.cooper3@citrix.com, samitolvanen@google.com,
	nathan@kernel.org, alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com,
	mhiramat@kernel.org, ojeda@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] x86,ibt: Use UDB instead of 0xEA
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 12:30:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250815103055.GE4068168@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250815102839.GD4068168@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Aug 15, 2025 at 12:28:39PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2025 at 09:49:39AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 14, 2025 at 06:27:44PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> > > On 2025-08-14 04:17, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > Hi!
> > > > 
> > > > A while ago FineIBT started using the instruction 0xEA to generate #UD.
> > > > All existing parts will generate #UD in 64bit mode on that instruction.
> > > > 
> > > > However; Intel/AMD have not blessed using this instruction, it is on
> > > > their 'reserved' list for future use.
> > > > 
> > > > Peter Anvin worked the committees and got use of 0xD6 blessed, and it
> > > > will be called UDB (per the next SDM or so).
> > > > 
> > > > Reworking the FineIBT code to use UDB wasn't entirely trivial, and I've
> > > > had to switch the hash register to EAX in order to free up some bytes.
> > > > 
> > > > Per the x86_64 ABI, EAX is used to pass the number of vector registers
> > > > for varargs -- something that should not happen in the kernel. More so,
> > > > we build with -mskip-rax-setup, which should leave EAX completely unused
> > > > in the calling convention.
> > > > 
> > > > The code boots and passes the LKDTM CFI_FORWARD_PROTO test for various
> > > > combinations (non exhaustive so far).
> > > > 
> > > > Signed-off-by: Peter Zijlstra (Intel) <peterz@infradead.org>
> > > 
> > > Looks good to me (and using %eax will save one byte per call site as
> > > well), but as per our IRC discussion, *my understanding* is that the
> > > best possible performance (least branch predictor impact across
> > > implementations) is to use a forward branch with a 2E prefix (jcc,pn in
> > > GAS syntax) rather than a reverse branch, if space allows.
> > 
> > Oh right. I did see that comment on IRC and them promptly forgot about
> > it again :/ I'll have a poke. Scott, do you agree? You being responsible
> > for the backward jump and such.
> 
> On top of the other, to show the delta.
> 
> If we want a fwd branch, we can stick the D6 in the endbr poison nop.
> That frees up more bytes again, but also that matches what I already did
> for the bhi1 case, so less special cases is more better.
> 
> I've had to use cs prefixed jcc.d32, because our older toolchains don't
> like the ,pn notation.

And then I forgot to move that cs prefix around in the bhi1 case...
fixed that.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-15 10:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-14 11:17 [RFC][PATCH] x86,ibt: Use UDB instead of 0xEA Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-14 11:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-14 19:40 ` Nathan Chancellor
2025-08-15  1:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-08-15  7:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-15 10:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-15 10:30       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-08-15 10:43         ` Andrew Cooper
2025-08-15 10:59           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-15 11:19             ` Andrew Cooper
2025-08-15 17:14               ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-08-15 17:21                 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-08-15 17:28                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-08-15  5:42 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-08-15  7:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-15  8:28     ` Leon Hwang

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