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From: Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
To: Benjamin Segall <bsegall@google.com>
Cc: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Xi Wang <xii@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Chuyi Zhou <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Florian Bezdeka <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>,
	Songtang Liu <liusongtang@bytedance.com>,
	Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	Matteo Martelli <matteo.martelli@codethink.co.uk>,
	Michal Koutn?? <mkoutny@suse.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/5] sched/fair: Switch to task based throttle model
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2025 15:53:38 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250905075338.GK42@bytedance> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250904120401.GJ42@bytedance>

On Thu, Sep 04, 2025 at 08:04:01PM +0800, Aaron Lu wrote:
... ...
> Per my understanding, we keep PELT clock running because we want the
> throttled cfs_rq's load to continue get update when it still has tasks
> running in kernel mode and have that up2date load could let it have a
> hopefully more accurate weight through update_cfs_group(). So it looks
> to me, if PELT clock should not be stopped, then we should not abort in
> propagate_entity_cfs_rq() and update_cfs_group(). I missed these two
> aborts in these two functions, but now you and Peter have pointed this
> out, I suppose there is no doubt we should not abort in
> update_cfs_group() and propagate_entity_cfs_rq()? If we should not mess
> with shares distribution, then the up2date load is not useful and why
> not simply freeze PELT clock on throttle :)

With more thinking, when PELT clock is running, root level cfs_rq's load
can be updated and that is useful for things like load balance.

update_cfs_group() is a different story and as Ben said, there is cons
and pros whether to abort there for throttled cfs_rq so there's no
obvious thing to do for it.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-05  7:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-29  8:11 [PATCH v4 0/5] Defer throttle when task exits to user Aaron Lu
2025-08-29  8:11 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] sched/fair: Add related data structure for task based throttle Aaron Lu
2025-09-03  8:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Valentin Schneider
2025-08-29  8:11 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] sched/fair: Implement throttle task work and related helpers Aaron Lu
2025-09-03  8:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Valentin Schneider
2025-08-29  8:11 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] sched/fair: Switch to task based throttle model Aaron Lu
2025-09-03  8:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Valentin Schneider
2025-09-03 14:51   ` [PATCH v4 3/5] " Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-03 17:12     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-03 20:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-04  5:44         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-04  7:04           ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-05 11:37             ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-05 12:53               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-08 11:05                 ` [PATCH] sched/fair: Propagate load for throttled cfs_rq Aaron Lu
2025-09-09  4:20                   ` kernel test robot
2025-09-09  6:17                     ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-09  6:22                       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-09  6:27                         ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-10  9:55                           ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-03 20:46       ` [PATCH v4 3/5] sched/fair: Switch to task based throttle model Benjamin Segall
2025-09-04  6:03         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-09  4:10           ` Benjamin Segall
2025-09-04  8:16         ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-04  9:51           ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-04 11:05             ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-04 14:20               ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-09  3:58               ` Benjamin Segall
2025-09-09 12:03                 ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-10  3:03               ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-04 12:04           ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-05  7:53             ` Aaron Lu [this message]
2025-09-03 20:55   ` Benjamin Segall
2025-09-04 11:26     ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-04 11:30       ` Aaron Lu
2025-08-29  8:11 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] sched/fair: Task based throttle time accounting Aaron Lu
2025-09-03  8:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Aaron Lu
2025-08-29  8:11 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] sched/fair: Get rid of throttled_lb_pair() Aaron Lu
2025-09-03  8:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Aaron Lu
2025-09-01 10:03 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] Defer throttle when task exits to user Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-02  8:59 ` Bezdeka, Florian
2025-12-02  9:43   ` Aaron Lu
2025-12-02 10:09     ` Florian Bezdeka
2025-12-02 12:01       ` Aaron Lu

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