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From: Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
To: Benjamin Segall <bsegall@google.com>
Cc: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Xi Wang <xii@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Chuyi Zhou <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Florian Bezdeka <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>,
	Songtang Liu <liusongtang@bytedance.com>,
	Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	Matteo Martelli <matteo.martelli@codethink.co.uk>,
	Michal Koutn?? <mkoutny@suse.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/5] sched/fair: Switch to task based throttle model
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2025 20:03:41 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250909120341.GA90@bytedance> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xm26frcwtgz2.fsf@google.com>

On Mon, Sep 08, 2025 at 08:58:09PM -0700, Benjamin Segall wrote:
> Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com> writes:
> 
> > On Thu, Sep 04, 2025 at 03:21:06PM +0530, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
> >> Hello Aaron,
> >> 
> >> On 9/4/2025 1:46 PM, Aaron Lu wrote:
> >> > @@ -8722,15 +8730,6 @@ static void check_preempt_wakeup_fair(struct rq *rq, struct task_struct *p, int
> >> >  	if (unlikely(se == pse))
> >> >  		return;
> >> >  
> >> > -	/*
> >> > -	 * This is possible from callers such as attach_tasks(), in which we
> >> > -	 * unconditionally wakeup_preempt() after an enqueue (which may have
> >> > -	 * lead to a throttle).  This both saves work and prevents false
> >> > -	 * next-buddy nomination below.
> >> > -	 */
> >> > -	if (unlikely(throttled_hierarchy(cfs_rq_of(pse))))
> >> > -		return;
> >> 
> >> I think we should have a:
> >> 
> >> 	if (task_is_throttled(p))
> >> 		return;
> >> 
> >> here. I can see at least one possibility via prio_changed_fair()
> >
> > Ah right. I didn't realize wakeup_preempt() can be called for a throttled
> > task, I think it is not expected. What about forbid that :)
> > (not tested in anyway, just to show the idea and get feedback)
> >
> > diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > index cb93e74a850e8..f1383aede764f 100644
> > --- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > +++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > @@ -13135,7 +13135,11 @@ static void task_fork_fair(struct task_struct *p)
> >  static void
> >  prio_changed_fair(struct rq *rq, struct task_struct *p, int oldprio)
> >  {
> > -	if (!task_on_rq_queued(p))
> > +	/*
> > +	 * p->on_rq can be set for throttled task but there is no need to
> > +	 * check wakeup preempt for throttled task, so use p->se.on_rq instead.
> > +	 */
> > +	if (!p->se.on_rq)
> >  		return;
> >  
> >  	if (rq->cfs.nr_queued == 1)
> >
> >> where a throttled task might reach here. Rest looks good. I'll
> >> still wait on Ben for the update_cfs_group() bits :)
> 
> 
> Yeah, I think I agree with all of these (this patch and the previous
> patch); the preempt ones are subjective but I'd probably default to "no
> special case needed for throttle". Removing the check in
> update_cfs_group() I think is correct, unless we want to freeze
> everything, yeah. (And that seems dangerous in its own way)

Thanks for all these info, let me go ahead and send these changes for
review then :)

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-09 12:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-29  8:11 [PATCH v4 0/5] Defer throttle when task exits to user Aaron Lu
2025-08-29  8:11 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] sched/fair: Add related data structure for task based throttle Aaron Lu
2025-09-03  8:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Valentin Schneider
2025-08-29  8:11 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] sched/fair: Implement throttle task work and related helpers Aaron Lu
2025-09-03  8:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Valentin Schneider
2025-08-29  8:11 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] sched/fair: Switch to task based throttle model Aaron Lu
2025-09-03  8:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Valentin Schneider
2025-09-03 14:51   ` [PATCH v4 3/5] " Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-03 17:12     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-03 20:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-04  5:44         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-04  7:04           ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-05 11:37             ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-05 12:53               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-08 11:05                 ` [PATCH] sched/fair: Propagate load for throttled cfs_rq Aaron Lu
2025-09-09  4:20                   ` kernel test robot
2025-09-09  6:17                     ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-09  6:22                       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-09  6:27                         ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-10  9:55                           ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-03 20:46       ` [PATCH v4 3/5] sched/fair: Switch to task based throttle model Benjamin Segall
2025-09-04  6:03         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-09  4:10           ` Benjamin Segall
2025-09-04  8:16         ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-04  9:51           ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-04 11:05             ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-04 14:20               ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-09  3:58               ` Benjamin Segall
2025-09-09 12:03                 ` Aaron Lu [this message]
2025-09-10  3:03               ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-04 12:04           ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-05  7:53             ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-03 20:55   ` Benjamin Segall
2025-09-04 11:26     ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-04 11:30       ` Aaron Lu
2025-08-29  8:11 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] sched/fair: Task based throttle time accounting Aaron Lu
2025-09-03  8:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Aaron Lu
2025-08-29  8:11 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] sched/fair: Get rid of throttled_lb_pair() Aaron Lu
2025-09-03  8:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Aaron Lu
2025-09-01 10:03 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] Defer throttle when task exits to user Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-02  8:59 ` Bezdeka, Florian
2025-12-02  9:43   ` Aaron Lu
2025-12-02 10:09     ` Florian Bezdeka
2025-12-02 12:01       ` Aaron Lu

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