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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
Cc: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, virtualization@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 00/18] mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 12:59:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260421125842-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aeeq9MUrqL6f47Y-@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>

On Tue, Apr 21, 2026 at 12:51:00PM -0400, Gregory Price wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2026 at 09:06:00AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2026 at 10:38:19PM -0400, Gregory Price wrote:
> > > 
> > > Can we leave folio_zero_user() callers the same, but add a PG_zeroed
> > > check in folio_zero_user() that skips the zeroing (but not the cache
> > > flush) and clear the PG_zeroed bit?
> > > 
> > > Is this feasible?
> > 
> > I do not see how - this would require leaking the page flag out of the
> > buddy allocator.
> >
> 
> Right, but you're leaking that bit of information out one way or another
> - whether it's a page-flag or something else (pghint_t) you have the
> same lifecycle problems (when does it become invalidated? how long can
> it be trusted for?).
>
> I suppose at least with (pghint_t) the data (in theory) falls out of
> scope and doesn't live with the page - but guaranteed it just ends up
> polluting more and more interfaces.
> 
> I'm seeing why David's suggest to plumb __GFP_ZERO correctly makes
> sense, it's really the only feasible approach here that doesn't generate
> a staleness problem with whatever information you try to leak out.
> 
> ~Gregory

OK, v3 with that incoming.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-21 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-20 12:51 [PATCH RFC v2 00/18] mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 01/18] mm: page_alloc: propagate PageReported flag across buddy splits Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 02/18] mm: add pghint_t type and vma_alloc_folio_hints API Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21  0:58   ` Huang, Ying
2026-04-21 13:03     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 03/18] mm: add PG_zeroed page flag for known-zero pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 04/18] mm: page_alloc: track PG_zeroed across buddy merges Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 05/18] mm: page_alloc: preserve PG_zeroed in try_to_claim_block Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 06/18] mm: page_alloc: thread pghint_t through get_page_from_freelist Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 07/18] mm: post_alloc_hook: use PG_zeroed to skip zeroing, return pghint_t Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 08/18] mm: hugetlb: thread pghint_t through buddy allocation chain Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 09/18] mm: hugetlb: use PG_zeroed for pool pages, skip redundant zeroing Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 10/18] mm: page_reporting: support host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 11/18] mm: skip zeroing in vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio for pre-zeroed pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 10:58   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-21 11:12     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-21 11:25       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-21 13:19     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 12/18] mm: skip zeroing in alloc_anon_folio " Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 13/18] mm: skip zeroing in vma_alloc_anon_folio_pmd " Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 14/18] mm: memfd: skip zeroing for pre-zeroed hugetlb pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:51 ` [PATCH RFC v2 15/18] virtio_balloon: add host_zeroes_pages module parameter Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:51 ` [PATCH RFC v2 16/18] mm: page_reporting: add flush parameter with page budget Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:51 ` [PATCH RFC v2 17/18] mm: add free_frozen_pages_hint and put_page_hint APIs Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 10:56   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-21 13:16     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 13:30       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-21 13:44         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 14:07           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-20 12:51 ` [PATCH RFC v2 18/18] virtio_balloon: mark deflated pages as pre-zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 18:09 ` [syzbot ci] Re: mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages syzbot ci
2026-04-20 18:20 ` [PATCH RFC v2 00/18] " David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-20 23:33   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21  2:38     ` Gregory Price
2026-04-21 10:04       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-21 14:15         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 14:18           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-21 13:06       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 16:51         ` Gregory Price
2026-04-21 16:59           ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2026-04-21 10:50     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-21  2:21 ` Gregory Price

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