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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, virtualization@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 00/18] mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2026 22:38:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aebjG-qMLr0joG61@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260420192037-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On Mon, Apr 20, 2026 at 07:33:38PM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2026 at 08:20:57PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> > On 4/20/26 14:51, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> 
> > > A lot of churn, and my concern is, if we miss even one
> > > place, silent, subtle data corruption will result and only
> > > on some arches (x86 will be fine).
> > 
> > Which would *already* be the case of you use folio_alloc(GFP_ZERO)
> > instead of magical vma_alloc_folio() + folio_zero_user().
> > 
> > I don't really see how vma_alloc_folio_hints() -- that also consumes the
> > address -- is any better in that regard?
> 
> By itself, it is not. But the issue is propagating the address from
> there all over mm. If we miss even one place - we get a subtle cache
> corruption on non x86.
> 

Why does it need to propogate?

Can we leave folio_zero_user() callers the same, but add a PG_zeroed
check in folio_zero_user() that skips the zeroing (but not the cache
flush) and clear the PG_zeroed bit?

Is this feasible?

You don't eliminate the folio_zero_user(), but maybe we shouldn't?

(a bit naive here - i haven't checked the PG_zeroed lifetime, i did
 see it overloads PG_private - so this might not be feasible)

> 
> I also note that we need a flag for free in order to implement
> balloon deflate as you asked. Here, I reused the hints.
> 

I'd sooner just implement this as

   ___put_folio(folio, gfp_t)

   __put_folio(folio) { ___put_folio(folio, NULL); }

And change the free path to take overloaded gfp flags.

Some of the existing ones might even be useful as-is.

It's essentially the same thing, but prevents a bunch of churn and
saves us a new concept.

optional gfp flags on free seem like genuinely useful interface for
certain callers (definitely not all).

~Gregory

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-21  2:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-20 12:51 [PATCH RFC v2 00/18] mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 01/18] mm: page_alloc: propagate PageReported flag across buddy splits Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 02/18] mm: add pghint_t type and vma_alloc_folio_hints API Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21  0:58   ` Huang, Ying
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 03/18] mm: add PG_zeroed page flag for known-zero pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 04/18] mm: page_alloc: track PG_zeroed across buddy merges Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 05/18] mm: page_alloc: preserve PG_zeroed in try_to_claim_block Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 06/18] mm: page_alloc: thread pghint_t through get_page_from_freelist Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 07/18] mm: post_alloc_hook: use PG_zeroed to skip zeroing, return pghint_t Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 08/18] mm: hugetlb: thread pghint_t through buddy allocation chain Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 09/18] mm: hugetlb: use PG_zeroed for pool pages, skip redundant zeroing Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 10/18] mm: page_reporting: support host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 11/18] mm: skip zeroing in vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio for pre-zeroed pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 12/18] mm: skip zeroing in alloc_anon_folio " Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 13/18] mm: skip zeroing in vma_alloc_anon_folio_pmd " Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 14/18] mm: memfd: skip zeroing for pre-zeroed hugetlb pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:51 ` [PATCH RFC v2 15/18] virtio_balloon: add host_zeroes_pages module parameter Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:51 ` [PATCH RFC v2 16/18] mm: page_reporting: add flush parameter with page budget Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:51 ` [PATCH RFC v2 17/18] mm: add free_frozen_pages_hint and put_page_hint APIs Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 12:51 ` [PATCH RFC v2 18/18] virtio_balloon: mark deflated pages as pre-zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-20 18:09 ` [syzbot ci] Re: mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages syzbot ci
2026-04-20 18:20 ` [PATCH RFC v2 00/18] " David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-20 23:33   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21  2:38     ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-04-21  2:21 ` Gregory Price

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