From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] coding-assistants: simplify attribution
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 11:08:40 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260702080840.GG3433808@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260702-seekrank-stilrichtung-mitentscheiden-69a64ee097ec@brauner>
On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 09:27:37AM +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > What would be much more relevant to know is to which degree LLMs were used.
> >
> > Assisted-by: LLM # translate commit message
> > Assisted-by: LLM # generate some test cases
> > Assisted-by: LLM # cleanup logic
> > Assisted-by: LLM # everything and I have no clue what any in here does
>
> I think we should just drop any attribution as a general kernel-wide
> rule and let subsystems require them as needed. Then you can have all
> the complexity in mm for this that you think is needed for your
> workflow to function. This is precisely what the subsystem profiles are
> for. So maybe just add:
>
> Documentation/process/maintainer-mm.rst
>
> alongside
>
> Documentation/process/maintainer-{tip,netdev,x86}.rst
>
> and lay down the rules that you require for LLM based submissions in
> whatever detail you need.
>
> I don't see how this additional commentary you want would ever be
> enforced consistently across the kernel or who would even enforce it. I
> don't need more beaurocracy to chase after people in my subsystems tbh.
>
> The other thing is that I think this Assisted-by annotation is just
> noise in the changelog. If you want to know in detail what an LLM was
> used for when generating the patch it's mostly a signal for how
> "intense" of a review this will get afaict (already questionable imho
> but sure that's just something to disagree on).
>
> If the information is mostly useful during review then I still would
> question why it has to end up in our git logs. It's completely
> irrelevant information imho.
Food for thought, the Kubernetes project has published a disclosure
policy ([1], reported by LWN.net at [2], with a blog post explaininig it
at [3]). Quoting LWN.net,
"Of note, the project requires disclosure when AI tools have been used
to assist in the creation of a contribution but forbids the use of
listing AI as a co-author or including "assisted-by" or "co-developed"
trailers to attribute work to an LLM tool."
I personally don't see a lot of value in the Assisted-by trailer, but I
would like the submitter to include the information in a place that
doesn't end up in the git commit history (cover letter or below the ---
line).
[1] https://www.kubernetes.dev/docs/guide/pull-requests/#ai-guidance
[2] https://lwn.net/Articles/1080144/
[3] https://kubernetes.io/blog/2026/06/26/open-source-maintainership-in-the-age-of-ai/
> > I thought we ask for that in some document, but couldn't immediately find it
> > (and nobody does that).
--
Regards,
Laurent Pinchart
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-02 8:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-01 15:54 [PATCH RFC] coding-assistants: simplify attribution Christian Brauner
2026-07-01 16:08 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-02 7:10 ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 11:35 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-01 16:08 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-07-01 16:12 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 7:11 ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 9:51 ` David Disseldorp
2026-07-01 16:10 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 7:27 ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 7:46 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 8:10 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 8:16 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 10:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 11:51 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 12:49 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:41 ` Jani Nikula
2026-07-02 13:48 ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 13:26 ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 13:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-07-02 13:47 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 13:57 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 14:09 ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 14:46 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 16:18 ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 16:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 8:08 ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2026-07-02 8:28 ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 13:48 ` Carlos Maiolino
2026-07-02 9:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-01 18:35 ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-01 18:53 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-02 7:29 ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 7:28 ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 8:12 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02 8:44 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-02 9:09 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02 9:39 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 9:37 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 9:38 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 9:44 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 11:57 ` Brian Foster
2026-07-02 12:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:07 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 13:37 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:47 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02 13:09 ` Brian Foster
2026-07-02 13:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 10:34 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-02 12:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 12:39 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-02 12:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:23 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 10:27 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-02 11:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-07-02 13:40 ` Carlos Maiolino
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