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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>
To: "Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>
Cc: Jori Koolstra <jkoolstra@xs4all.nl>,
	 Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	 David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org,  linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] coding-assistants: simplify attribution
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 10:37:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <akYvWe505KPzleBL@lucifer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a17b9a17-0ca7-4912-836d-4637cd0110f7@kernel.org>

On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 10:44:34AM +0200, Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) wrote:
> On 7/2/26 10:12, Jori Koolstra wrote:
> > Ah, I still reigniting this discussion again :)
> >
> > What about a combination of what David and Jeff say? The whole point
> > seems to me that the salient information is not that an LLM was used (or
> > are we going to tag Sashiko as well or any other LLM-based code review
> > tool?), but what is was used to do. This information may be relevant for
> > how the review is approached. The latter should perhaps only be in the
> > cover letter and then we can drop the assisted-by tags altogether.
> >
> > The question about enforcement remains.
>
> It's not possible to enforce it. People can deny it if the tag is missing
> and you confront them and even though the submission has many signs of being
> obviously LLM, there is no definite proof. We've seen (likely, as there's no
> proof!) that happen in mm.

I think it's helpful to point to guidelines, and I've actively used that in
practice with the recent wave of AI slop in mm.

But yes it quickly becomes very politically difficult if somebody adamently lies
about that, and as you know I've found myself in that situation too :)

However, there are those who _do_ attribute, especially those working at tech
companies that are encouraging LLM-usage, and others who are in good faith, so
having the tag is, I think, helpful.

It also strengthens the case for those who are dishonest if we do at some point
institute a 'well this seems very likely to be so sorry no' approach in mm at
least.

>
> Such situation then penalizes those who disclose so obviously they won't. We
> should drop the tag and instead think how we can empower maintainers to be
> able to use their own judgment and deprioritize dealing with what they
> perceive as LLM slop, without fearing consequences of not being properly
> responsible etc, and not rely on any non-enforceable tags for that.

I agree we should have the ability to do this.

But the amount of time wasted on AI slop is already too much and we're only at
the start of this, we really need a very low effort way to filter it.

Tags with more information WILL help IMO, but I honestly think, in the long run,
we're simply going to have to deprioritise patches from newcomers that do more
than small changes.

Other open source communities are ahead of us in this and that seems to be the
road being taken often (e.g. [0]).

Cheers, Lorenzo

[0]:https://godotengine.org/article/contribution-policy-2026/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-07-02  9:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-01 15:54 [PATCH RFC] coding-assistants: simplify attribution Christian Brauner
2026-07-01 16:08 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-02  7:10   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 11:35     ` Mark Brown
2026-07-01 16:08 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-07-01 16:12   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02  7:11   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  9:51   ` David Disseldorp
2026-07-01 16:10 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02  7:27   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  7:46     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02  8:10       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02  8:16         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 10:04       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 11:51         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 12:49           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:41             ` Jani Nikula
2026-07-02 13:48               ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 13:26           ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 13:35             ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-07-02 13:47             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 13:57             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 14:09               ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 14:46                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 16:18                   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 16:29                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02  8:08     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02  8:28       ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 13:48         ` Carlos Maiolino
2026-07-02  9:24   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-01 18:35 ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-01 18:53   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-02  7:29     ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  7:28   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  8:12 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02  8:44   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-02  9:09     ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02  9:39       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02  9:37     ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2026-07-02  9:38     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02  9:44       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 11:57         ` Brian Foster
2026-07-02 12:18           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:07             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 13:37               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:47                 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02 13:09             ` Brian Foster
2026-07-02 13:25               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 10:34     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-02 12:23       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 12:39         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-02 12:53           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:23       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 10:27 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-02 11:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-07-02 13:40   ` Carlos Maiolino

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