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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>, Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: skip the cache hot CPU in select_idle_cpu()
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:18:33 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2a47ae82-b8cd-95db-9f48-82b3df0730f3@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZQByY4rDvjejRRs5@chenyu5-mobl2.ccr.corp.intel.com>

On 9/12/23 10:14, Chen Yu wrote:
> On 2023-09-12 at 10:06:27 -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
[...]
>>
>> One more tweak: given that more than one task can update the cache_hot_timeout forward
>> one after another, and given that some tasks have larger burst_sleep_avg values than
>> others, I suspect we want to keep the forward movement monotonic with something like:
>>
>> if (sched_feat(SIS_CACHE) && task_sleep && !rq->nr_running && p->se.burst_sleep_avg &&
>>      rq->cache_hot_timeout < now + p->se.burst_sleep_avg)
>> 	rq->cache_hot_timeout = now + p->se.burst_sleep_avg;
>>
> 
> Yeah, Aaron has mentioned this too:
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/ZP7SYu+gxlc%2FYjHu@chenyu5-mobl2/
> May I know the benefit of keeping forward movement monotonic?
> I thought that, should we only honor the latest dequeued task's burst_sleep_avg?
> Because we don't know whether the old deuqued task's cache has been scribbled by the latest
> dequeued task or not, does it still make sense to wake up the old dequeued task on its
> previous CPU?

Here is my reasoning:

If a second task is scheduled after the first dequeued task (a
task with large burst_sleep_avg) is dequeued, that second task (with
small burst_sleep_avg) would need to entirely scribble the other task's
cache lines within the time given by sysctl_sched_migration_cost, which
I suspect is typically not very large. So I doubt that the second task
can entirely kick out the first task cache lines within that time frame,
and therefore that second task should not move the cache_hot_timeout
value backwards.

But perhaps I'm missing something ?

Thanks,

Mathieu


-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com


  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-12 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-11  2:49 [RFC PATCH 0/2] Makes it easier for the wakee to choose previous CPU Chen Yu
2023-09-11  2:49 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] sched/fair: Record the average sleep time of a task Chen Yu
2023-09-11  2:50 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: skip the cache hot CPU in select_idle_cpu() Chen Yu
2023-09-11  7:26   ` Aaron Lu
2023-09-11  8:40     ` Chen Yu
2023-09-13  6:22       ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2023-09-13  7:25         ` Chen Yu
2023-09-14  7:06           ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2023-09-14 12:09             ` Chen Yu
2023-09-15 15:18               ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2023-09-19  9:01                 ` Chen Yu
2023-09-11  8:29   ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-09-11 10:19     ` Chen Yu
2023-09-12  3:05       ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-09-12 12:32         ` Chen Yu
2023-09-12 14:26           ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-09-13  2:57             ` Chen Yu
2023-09-14  4:13               ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-09-14 11:01                 ` Chen Yu
2023-09-15  3:21                   ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-09-12  9:39       ` Mike Galbraith
2023-09-12 14:51         ` Chen Yu
2023-09-12  6:32     ` Mike Galbraith
2023-09-11 15:26   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-09-11 15:43     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-09-12 11:53       ` Chen Yu
2023-09-12 14:06         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-09-12 14:14           ` Chen Yu
2023-09-12 15:18             ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2023-09-13  3:02               ` Chen Yu
2023-09-20 12:34     ` Chen Yu
2023-09-14  5:30   ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-09-14 10:43     ` Chen Yu
2023-09-15  3:37       ` K Prateek Nayak

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