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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>
To: Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cam.ac.uk>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: fadvise syscall?
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 02:28:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C959716.6040308@mandrakesoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3C945635.4050101@mandrakesoft.com> <3C945A5A.9673053F@zip.com.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20020317131910.0522b490@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk>

Anton Altaparmakov wrote:

> We don't need fadvise IMHO. That is what open(2) is for. The streaming 
> request you are asking for is just a normal open(2). It will do read 
> ahead which is perfect for streaming (of data size << RAM size in its 
> current form).
>
> When you want large data streaming, i.e. you start getting worried 
> about memory pressure, then you want open(2) + O_DIRECT. No caching 
> done. Perfect for large data streams and we have that already. I agree 
> that you may want some form of asynchronous read ahead with passed 
> pages being dropped from the cache but that could be just a open(2) + 
> O_SEQUENTIAL (doesn't exist yet).
>
> All of what you are asking for exists in Windows and all the semantics 
> are implemented through a very powerful open(2) equivalent. I don't 
> see why we shouldn't do the same. It makes more sense to me than 
> inventing yet another system call...



I disagree, and here's the main reasons:

* fadvise(2) usefulness extends past open(2).  It may be useful to call 
it at various points during runtime.

* I think putting hints in open(2) is the wrong direction to go.  Hints 
have a potential to be very flexible.  open(2) O_xxx bits are not to be 
squandered lightly, while I see a lot more value in being a little more 
loose and free with the bit assignment for an "fadvise mask" (just a 
list of hint bits).  IMO it should be easier to introduce and retire 
hints, far easier than O_xxx flags.

    Jeff





  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-03-18  7:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-17  8:39 fadvise syscall? Jeff Garzik
2002-03-17  8:56 ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-17  9:10   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-17 20:18     ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-17 13:41   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-03-17 14:31     ` Simon Richter
2002-03-17 14:56       ` Jan Hudec
2002-03-17 15:00     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-03-17 19:20     ` Joel Becker
2002-03-17 23:59     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-03-18  7:28     ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2002-03-18  7:55       ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-18  8:07         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-18  8:17           ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-18 16:41         ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-18 19:00           ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-18 19:15             ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-22 16:05       ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-24  6:38         ` Stevie O
2002-03-24 11:24           ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-24 12:52             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-03-25 11:12               ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-18  8:05     ` Joel Becker
2002-03-18  8:10       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-18  8:20         ` Joel Becker
2002-03-18  8:14       ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-18 14:39         ` Martin K. Petersen
2002-03-18 19:15           ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-18 19:42             ` Martin K. Petersen
2002-03-19 20:08               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-19 23:38                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2002-03-17 15:13 ` Ken Hirsch
2002-03-17 17:14 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-03-17 18:31   ` Mark Mielke
2002-03-17 18:35   ` Ken Hirsch
2002-03-17 19:06   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-03-17 20:19     ` Ken Hirsch
2002-03-18  0:12     ` Anton Altaparmakov
     [not found]       ` <a73ujs$5mc$1@cesium.transmeta.com>
2002-03-18  8:58         ` Jan Hudec
2002-03-18 10:08           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-18 17:29             ` Mark Mielke

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