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From: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	torvalds@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	richard.brunner@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Athlon/Opteron Prefetch Fix for 2.6.0test5 + numbers
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:53:40 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F67E8D4.6010707@cyberone.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030916194446.030d8e70.akpm@osdl.org>



Andrew Morton wrote:

>Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de> wrote:
>
>>
>>This is much more efficient than the previous workaround used in the kernel,
>>which checked for AMD CPUs in every prefetch(). This can be seen 
>>in the size of the vmlinux:
>>
>
>That is hardly a serious comparison: the workaround is just to stop the
>oopses while this gets sorted out.  It makes no pretense at either
>efficiency or permanence.
>
>
>>Without patch:
>>   text    data     bss     dec     hex filename
>>4020232  665956  169092 4855280  4a15f0 vmlinux
>>With patch:
>>4011578  665973  169092 4846643  49f433
>>
>
>hrm.  Why did data grow?
>
>
>>With prefetch check:    3.7268 microseconds
>>Without prefetch check: 3.65945 microseconds
>>
>
>We don't know how much of this difference is due to removing the branch and
>how much is due to reenabling prefetch.
>
>It would be interesting to see comparative benchmarking between prefetch
>and no prefetch at all, see whether this feature is worth its icache
>footprint.
>

The test was on a pentium 4, so its only removing the extra code.

I think Andi's patch is required (especially because it fixes
userspace), and under the current cpu selection scheme, it is
implemented correctly (although I am now at a loss as to what the
generic thing is for).

The conditional compilation thing is a seperate issue. This patch may
have just broken a few camels' backs.

What is intriguing to me is the "Its only a 2% slowdown of the page
fault for every cpu other than K[78] for this single workaround. There
is no point to conditional compilation" attitude some people have.
Of course, its only 2% on a pagefault, not anywhere near 2% of kernel
performance as a whole, so maybe that is justified.

Just repeating though, that is a seperate issue and I think Andi's patch
is needed.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-09-17  4:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-17  2:22 [PATCH] Athlon/Opteron Prefetch Fix for 2.6.0test5 + numbers Andi Kleen
2003-09-17  2:44 ` Andrew Morton
2003-09-17  3:25   ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-17  4:53   ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2003-09-17  5:08     ` Andrew Morton
2003-09-17  5:19       ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-17  7:15       ` Dave Hansen
2003-09-17  5:26     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-17  5:44       ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-17 19:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-17 20:21       ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-17 20:50         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-17 21:12           ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-18 15:38             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-18 16:04               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-18 17:06                 ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-18 19:48                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-19  6:55             ` Kai Henningsen
2003-09-19 10:02               ` Andreas Schwab

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