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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Remove or convert empty ioctls ?
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:12:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AD711BC.2030409@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0910151113340.9428@localhost.localdomain>

On 10/15/2009 05:20 AM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> while looking into pushing down BKL to ioctls I noticed that we have a
> lot of ioctls which simply return -EINVAL or some other fancy error
> code.
>
> The question is whether we should convert them to unlocked_ioctl or
> simply remove them and let the sys_ioctl code return the default
> -ENOTTY error code.
>
> One could argue that this is a user visible change, but OTOH there is
> no particular value of EINVAL or any other weird error code when it
> just says: there is no ioctl for this fd.

It seems like a mistake to generalize a rule out of this, especially if 
it leads to error return values changing unexpectedly in years-old code.

"no particular value" is highly subjective, and I think unprovable, 
without an exhaustive survey of userland programs interacting with 
kernel drivers.  Userland programs often interact with a -class- of 
drivers, expecting predictable behavior from a DoThisThing ioctl, with 
EINVAL or "other weird error code" returned intentionally.

Changing the return codes seems quite unwise.

	Jeff





  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-15 12:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-15  9:20 [RFC] Remove or convert empty ioctls ? Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-15 12:12 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2009-10-15 15:01   ` Alan Cox
2009-10-15 15:22     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-10-15 15:31       ` Alan Cox
2009-10-15 15:35         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-10-15 15:49           ` Alan Cox
2009-10-15 16:03             ` Jeff Garzik
2009-10-15 16:23               ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-15 16:28             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-15 15:50           ` Ingo Molnar

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