From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: Pranjal Shrivastava <praan@google.com>
Cc: "Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@nvidia.com>,
"Nicolin Chen" <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>, "Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
"Jean-Philippe Brucker" <jpb@kernel.org>,
"Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
"Mikołaj Lenczewski" <miko.lenczewski@arm.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, iommu@lists.linux.dev,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-sva: Enable Hardware Access and Hardware Dirty bits
Date: Fri, 8 May 2026 15:24:32 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4e129891-2f52-4bac-8e33-1fdde42fd29a@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <af3ryl7G58D2GeWr@google.com>
On 2026-05-08 2:57 pm, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
> On Fri, May 08, 2026 at 02:31:11PM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote:
>> On 2026-05-08 2:12 pm, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
>>> On Fri, May 08, 2026 at 09:35:50AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>>> On Thu, May 07, 2026 at 10:30:14PM +0000, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
>>>>>> @@ -92,6 +92,16 @@ void arm_smmu_make_sva_cd(struct arm_smmu_cd *target,
>>>>>> target->data[1] = cpu_to_le64(virt_to_phys(mm->pgd) &
>>>>>> CTXDESC_CD_1_TTB0_MASK);
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> + /*
>>>>>> + * Enable Hardware Access and Dirty updates (DBM) if supported.
>>>>>> + * This is safe to enable by default, as PTE_WRITE and PTE_DBM
>>>>>> + * share the same bit.
>>>>>> + */
>>>>>> + if (master->smmu->features & ARM_SMMU_FEAT_HA)
>>>>>> + target->data[0] |= cpu_to_le64(CTXDESC_CD_0_TCR_HA);
>>>>>> + if (master->smmu->features & ARM_SMMU_FEAT_HD)
>>>>>> + target->data[0] |= cpu_to_le64(CTXDESC_CD_0_TCR_HD);
>>>>>
>>>>> IIUC, we should be setting these if IO_PGTABLE_QUIRK_ARM_HD is present?
>>>>
>>>> SVA does not use IO_PGTABLE at all, and it directly constructs its own
>>>> CD.
>>>>
>>>> No relation between those two flows.
>>>
>>> I understand that but I mean we need to know if the system supports
>>> HTTU ? Like for SMMU we use the IO_PGTABLE_QUIRK, shouldn't we be
>>> checking if the CPU's tables support HTTU?
>>>
>>> Are we assuming that if the SMMU IDR presents HTTU capability the MMU
>>> would also have it? I think an unconditional enablement is risky as we
>>> may not have system-wide HTTU support.
>>>
>>> If we look at arm_smmu_master_sva_supported, the driver already
>>> maintains a strict agreement between the CPU and SMMU for SVA.
>>> It checks sanitized CPU ID registers for things like PARANGE & ASIDBITS,
>>> and it uses system_supports_bbml2_noabort() to decide whether to enable
>>> FEAT_BBML2.
>>>
>>> Shouldn't we follow this exact same pattern for HTTU ?
>>> We should probably be checking cpu_has_hw_af() (from asm/cpufeature.h)
>>> in the SVA support check or here if we wanna enable HTTU.
>>
>> It might make sense to depend on CONFIG_ARM64_HW_AFDBM - when that is
>> enabled, then IIRC we already expect to cope with some CPUs not supporting
>> hardware updates, so it should still be fine for an SMMU to make them even
>> if no CPU does. However, if it's disabled then I'm not sure if missing
>> access flag faults (if SMMU HA silently sets them) might be an issue - for
>> dirty, we'd just never put down the Writeable-Clean permission so enabling
>> SMMU HD wouldn't do anything anyway.
>
> I see, so IIUC, you mean if IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARM64_HW_AFDBM) but CPU
> doesn't enable HTTU, it is perfectly safe to let the SMMU do HTT updates,
> Since the fault handlers are already expecting HW-triggered updates?
>
> Which means our check would be something like:
>
> if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARM64_HW_AFDBM) {
> if (smmu->features & FEAT_HA)
> ...
> }
>
> instead of cpu_has_hw_af()?
Hmm, looking closer, cpu_has_hw_af() is the thing which actually
influences mm behaviour (via arch_has_hw_pte_young and
arch_wants_old_prefaulted_pte), and that can still be false at runtime
if ARM64_HW_AFDBM is enabled but any CPU doesn't support HAFDBS, so
perhaps you were right the first time :)
Although AFAICS from __cpu_setup(), ARM64_HW_AFDBM will still
unconditionally enable TCR_EL1.HA on CPUs which do support it, so maybe
it is OK anyway?
Cheers,
Robin.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-08 14:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20260503135413.1108138-1-nicolinc@nvidia.com>
2026-05-07 22:30 ` [PATCH] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-sva: Enable Hardware Access and Hardware Dirty bits Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-08 12:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-08 13:12 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-08 13:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-08 13:31 ` Robin Murphy
2026-05-08 13:57 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-08 14:24 ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2026-05-09 7:56 ` Nicolin Chen
2026-05-11 13:22 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-11 13:21 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
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