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From: Waiman Long <waiman.long@hp.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	jeffm@suse.com, "Norton, Scott J" <scott.norton@hp.com>,
	tom.vaden@hp.com, "Chandramouleeswaran, Aswin" <aswin@hp.com>,
	Jason Low <jason.low2@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] futex: Avoid taking hb lock if nothing to wakeup
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 23:05:55 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <529029A3.4080009@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFz9o2K-CEp+ECEaTgmP2fU=Eh7_o58VGmM1sOhKhu_n=w@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/22/2013 08:25 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Davidlohr Bueso<davidlohr@hp.com>  wrote:
>> In futex_wake() there is clearly no point in taking the hb->lock if
>> we know beforehand that there are no tasks to be woken. This comes
>> at the smaller cost of doing some atomic operations to keep track of
>> the list's size.
> Hmm. Why? Afaik, you only care about "empty or not". And if you don't
> need the serialization from locking, then afaik you can just do a
> "plist_head_empty()" without holding the lock.
>
> NOTE!
>
> The "list_empty()" function is very much designed to work even without
> holding a lock (as long as the head itself exists reliably, of course)
> BUT you have to then guarantee yourself that your algorithm doesn't
> have any races wrt other CPU's adding an entry to the list at the same
> time. Not holding a lock obviously means that you are not serialized
> against that.. We've had problems with people doing
>
>      if (!list_empty(waiters))
>          wake_up_list(..)
>
> because they wouldn't wake people up who just got added.
>
> But considering that your atomic counter checking has the same lack of
> serialization, at least the plist_head_empty() check shouldn't be any
> worse than that counter thing.. And doesn't need any steenking atomic
> ops or a new counter field.
>
>              Linus

Before the patch, a waker will wake up one or waiters who call 
spin_lock() before the waker. If we just use plist_head_empty(), we will 
miss waiters who have called spin_lock(), but have not yet got the lock 
or inserted itself into the wait list. By adding atomic counter for 
checking purpose, we again has a single point where any waiters who pass 
that point (inc atomic counter) can be woken up by a waiter who check 
the atomic counter after they inc it. This acts sort of like 
serialization without using a lock.

-Longman

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-11-23  4:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-23  0:56 [PATCH 0/5] futex: Wakeup optimizations Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  0:56 ` [PATCH 1/5] futex: Misc cleanups Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  6:52   ` Darren Hart
2013-11-23  0:56 ` [PATCH 2/5] futex: Check for pi futex_q only once Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  6:33   ` Darren Hart
2013-11-24  5:19     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  0:56 ` [PATCH 3/5] futex: Larger hash table Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  6:52   ` Darren Hart
2013-11-23  0:56 ` [PATCH 4/5] futex: Avoid taking hb lock if nothing to wakeup Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  1:25   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-23  3:03     ` Jason Low
2013-11-23  3:19     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  7:23       ` Darren Hart
2013-11-23 13:16       ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-24  3:46         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-24  5:15           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-25 12:01             ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-25 16:23           ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-25 16:36             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-25 17:32               ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-25 17:38                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-25 18:55                 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-25 19:52                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-25 19:47         ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-25 20:03           ` Darren Hart
2013-11-25 20:26             ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-26 13:53             ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-11-23  4:05     ` Waiman Long [this message]
2013-11-23  5:40   ` Darren Hart
2013-11-23  5:42     ` Hart, Darren
2013-11-23  7:20   ` Darren Hart
2013-11-23  0:56 ` [PATCH 5/5] sched,futex: Provide delayed wakeup list Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23 11:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-23 12:01     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-24  5:25       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-23  5:55 ` [PATCH 0/5] futex: Wakeup optimizations Darren Hart
2013-11-23  6:35   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-11-23  6:38   ` Davidlohr Bueso
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-01-12 23:31 [PATCH v6 " Davidlohr Bueso
2014-01-12 23:31 ` [PATCH 4/5] futex: Avoid taking hb lock if nothing to wakeup Davidlohr Bueso

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