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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>
Cc: David Vernet <void@manifault.com>,
	Changwoo Min <changwoo@igalia.com>,
	sched-ext@lists.linux.dev, Emil Tsalapatis <emil@etsalapatis.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 28/33] sched_ext: Route ops.update_idle() to sub-schedulers and re-notify owed scheds
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2026 22:08:34 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5f8e1695cf3d1fe7692aacb0bf7f6209@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alXUrLY3WMdAyXIc@gpd4>

Hello, Andrea.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2026 at 08:18:20AM +0200, Andrea Righi wrote:
> So, this makes every real idle/busy transition walk the whole scheduler
> hierarchy and potentially invoke ops.update_idle() for every cap-holding
> scheduler while the rq lock is held and IRQs are disabled?
>
> This becomes O(number of cap-holding schedulers) BPF callbacks per idle
> transition.
>
> I haven't benchmarked this, so I'm not sure if it's a valid performance concern.
> We don't have to fix this now, it can be a future improvement. In that case, if
> we prove that we have a real bottleneck here, would it make sense to maintain a
> per-rq list of schedulers that both hold effective SCX_CAP_BASE and implement
> ops.update_idle()?

If this becomes an actual problem, we can add an opt-out for update_idle
notifications and maintain the list of scheds that are subscribing. With
shallow nesting and most cpus granted exclusively, which are the expected
initial use cases, I don't expect this to be a problem in practice. We'll
see.

> Also, for the root-only case, would it be worth keeping the old direct
> ops.update_idle() path behind a static key which is enabled while any
> sub-scheduler is attached?

Yeah, will gate this and the other sub-sched hot paths behind a static
key in follow-up patches.

Thanks.

--
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-14  8:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-09 22:50 [PATCHSET v5 sched_ext/for-7.3] sched_ext: Capability-based CPU delegation for sub-schedulers Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 01/33] sched_ext: Assert per-task ops run on the task's owner Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 02/33] sched_ext: Make the kick machinery per-sched Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 03/33] sched_ext: Add ops.init_cids() to finalize the cid layout before init Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 04/33] sched_ext: Add CID sharding Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 05/33] sched_ext: Add shard boundaries to scx_bpf_cid_override() Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 06/33] sched_ext: Defer scx_sched kobj sysfs add into the enable workfns Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 07/33] sched_ext: Add per-shard scx_sched storage scaffolding Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 08/33] sched_ext: Add scx_cmask_ref for validated arena cmask access Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 09/33] sched_ext: Build the set_cmask scratch from trusted geometry Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 10/33] sched_ext: RCU-protect the sub-sched tree's children/sibling lists Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 11/33] sched_ext: Add scx_skip_subtree_pre() Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 12/33] sched_ext: Stop resolving a disabled scheduler's programs Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 13/33] sched_ext: Add per-shard cap delegation for sub-schedulers Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 14/33] sched_ext: Add coalescing sub_caps_updated() notifier " Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 15/33] sched_ext: Maintain per-cpu effective cap copies for single-read checks Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 16/33] sched_ext: Add sub_ecaps_updated() effective-cap change notifier Tejun Heo
2026-07-14  6:00   ` Andrea Righi
2026-07-14  8:07     ` Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 17/33] sched_ext: Generalize local-DSQ handling to rq-owned DSQs Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 18/33] sched_ext: Add reject DSQ for cap-rejected dispatches Tejun Heo
2026-07-14  6:49   ` Andrea Righi
2026-07-14  8:08     ` Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 19/33] sched_ext: Add SCX_ENQ_IGNORE_CAPS for in-place restore Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 20/33] sched_ext: Add the SCX_CAP_ENQ_IMMED cap Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 21/33] sched_ext: Assign a unique id to each scheduler instance Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 22/33] sched_ext: Route task slice writes through set_task_slice() Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 23/33] sched_ext: Track the cpu a task is runnable on Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 24/33] sched_ext: Tie cpu occupancy to SCX_CAP_BASE through the task slice Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 25/33] sched_ext: Add the SCX_CAP_ENQ cap Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 26/33] sched_ext: Gate kicks on SCX_CAP_BASE and preemption on SCX_CAP_PREEMPT Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 27/33] sched_ext: Authorize remote-move inserts against the placing scheduler Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 28/33] sched_ext: Route ops.update_idle() to sub-schedulers and re-notify owed scheds Tejun Heo
2026-07-14  6:18   ` Andrea Righi
2026-07-14  8:08     ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 29/33] sched_ext: Replay ecaps notifications suppressed by bypass Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 30/33] sched_ext: Add scx_bpf_sub_kill() to evict a child sub-scheduler Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 31/33] tools/sched_ext: Add three-mask cmask intersection iterator Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 32/33] tools/sched_ext: scx_qmap - Expand hierarchical sub-scheduling Tejun Heo
2026-07-09 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 sched_ext/for-7.3 33/33] tools/sched_ext: scx_qmap - Add sub-sched cap fault injection Tejun Heo
2026-07-14  7:10 ` [PATCHSET v5 sched_ext/for-7.3] sched_ext: Capability-based CPU delegation for sub-schedulers Andrea Righi
2026-07-14  8:07   ` Tejun Heo
2026-07-14  8:27 ` Tejun Heo

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