From: "Dan Williams (nvidia)" <djbw@kernel.org>
To: Alistair Francis <alistair23@gmail.com>, Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>
Cc: Dan Williams <djbw@kernel.org>,
bhelgaas@google.com, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com, linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org,
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bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com, tmgross@umich.edu, ojeda@kernel.org,
wilfred.mallawa@wdc.com, aliceryhl@google.com,
Alistair Francis <alistair.francis@wdc.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v3 00/27] lib: Rust implementation of SPDM
Date: Fri, 01 May 2026 18:34:34 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <69f554aa525ae_44a831001f@djbw-dev.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKmqyKN3nuA_uH+1o9XPrFoi7TnBY_R92SiP1srhXFdhnngd3A@mail.gmail.com>
Alistair Francis wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 2:34 PM Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 16, 2026 at 07:35:44PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> > > Later in the thread I proposed an alternative that instead of supporting
> > > 2 flavors of uapi through "authenticated", instead implement CMA as
> > > another TSM driver [1].
> > >
> > > [1]: http://lore.kernel.org/69976d7d39c60_2f4a1009@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch
> >
> > Please keep in mind though that CMA is just the PCIe adaption of SPDM,
> > SPDM is not only needed for PCIe but also SCSI, ATA and possibly others
> > and so implementing CMA as a TSM driver must not preclude use of SPDM
> > in other subsystems.
>
> That should be fine as the current SPDM implementation is
> self-contained, but thanks for raising that.
>
> Just to make sure I'm not going in the wrong direction, the idea would
> be to build on
>
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260303000207.1836586-9-dan.j.williams@intel.com/
>
> and add something like this?
>
> ```
> static const struct pci_tsm_ops pci_cma_tsm_ops = {
> .link_ops = {
> .probe = pci_cma_tsm_probe,
> .remove = pci_cma_tsm_remove,
> .connect = pci_cma_tsm_connect,
> .disconnect = pci_cma_tsm_disconnect,
> },
> .refresh_evidence = pci_cma_tsm_refresh,
> };
> ```
>
> The docs for `struct pci_tsm_ops` seem pretty TSM specific, so I just
> wanted to double check before going ahead.
>
> That means all of the netlink stuff in this series can be dropped and
> we just use the TSM netlink (which might need some adjustments then,
> I'll have to double check)
Right, the above looks what I was expecting.
As for netlink, Lukas is right about non CMA use cases. The netlink
interface will either need to move to be a generic "device evidence"
facility, not scoped to PCI/TSM, or itself become a library that
different producers of SPDM material can use to export it to userspace.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-02 1:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-11 3:29 [RFC v3 00/27] lib: Rust implementation of SPDM alistair23
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 01/27] rust: add untrusted data abstraction alistair23
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 02/27] X.509: Make certificate parser public alistair23
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 03/27] X.509: Parse Subject Alternative Name in certificates alistair23
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 04/27] X.509: Move certificate length retrieval into new helper alistair23
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 05/27] certs: Create blacklist keyring earlier alistair23
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 06/27] rust: add bindings for hash.h alistair23
2026-02-19 14:48 ` Gary Guo
2026-03-02 16:18 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 07/27] rust: error: impl From<FromBytesWithNulError> for Kernel Error alistair23
2026-02-19 14:49 ` Gary Guo
2026-03-13 2:20 ` Alistair Francis
2026-03-13 10:35 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 08/27] lib: rspdm: Initial commit of Rust SPDM alistair23
2026-03-02 17:09 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-03-13 3:44 ` Alistair Francis
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 09/27] PCI/CMA: Authenticate devices on enumeration alistair23
2026-02-16 4:25 ` Aksh Garg
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 10/27] PCI/CMA: Validate Subject Alternative Name in certificates alistair23
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 11/27] PCI/CMA: Reauthenticate devices on reset and resume alistair23
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 12/27] lib: rspdm: Support SPDM get_version alistair23
2026-02-11 4:00 ` Wilfred Mallawa
2026-03-03 11:36 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-03-13 5:35 ` Alistair Francis
2026-03-13 5:53 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-03-13 5:55 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-03-16 17:16 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 13/27] lib: rspdm: Support SPDM get_capabilities alistair23
2026-02-11 4:08 ` Wilfred Mallawa
2026-03-03 12:09 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-03-03 18:07 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-03-20 4:32 ` Alistair Francis
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 14/27] lib: rspdm: Support SPDM negotiate_algorithms alistair23
2026-03-03 13:46 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 15/27] lib: rspdm: Support SPDM get_digests alistair23
2026-03-03 14:29 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 16/27] lib: rspdm: Support SPDM get_certificate alistair23
2026-03-03 14:51 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-03-31 2:37 ` Alistair Francis
2026-03-31 13:19 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 17/27] crypto: asymmetric_keys - Load certificate parsing early in boot alistair23
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 18/27] KEYS: Load keyring and certificates " alistair23
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 19/27] PCI/CMA: Support built in X.509 certificates alistair23
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 20/27] crypto: sha: Load early in boot alistair23
2026-03-03 14:52 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 21/27] crypto: ecdsa: " alistair23
2026-03-03 14:54 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 22/27] lib: rspdm: Support SPDM certificate validation alistair23
2026-03-03 15:00 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-03-31 3:29 ` Alistair Francis
2026-03-31 10:11 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-04-01 1:48 ` Alistair Francis
2026-04-01 10:37 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 23/27] rust: allow extracting the buffer from a CString alistair23
2026-02-19 14:50 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 24/27] lib: rspdm: Support SPDM challenge alistair23
2026-03-03 16:54 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 25/27] PCI/CMA: Expose in sysfs whether devices are authenticated alistair23
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 26/27] rust: add bindings for hash_info alistair23
2026-02-11 3:29 ` [RFC v3 27/27] rspdm: Multicast received signatures via netlink alistair23
2026-02-19 10:19 ` Lukas Wunner
2026-02-12 5:56 ` [RFC v3 00/27] lib: Rust implementation of SPDM dan.j.williams
2026-02-18 2:12 ` Alistair Francis
2026-04-09 3:39 ` Alistair Francis
2026-04-13 5:42 ` Alistair Francis
2026-04-17 2:35 ` Dan Williams
2026-04-17 4:34 ` Lukas Wunner
2026-04-17 5:20 ` Alistair Francis
2026-05-02 1:34 ` Dan Williams (nvidia) [this message]
2026-02-17 23:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18 2:17 ` Alistair Francis
2026-02-18 23:40 ` dan.j.williams
2026-02-19 0:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-19 5:05 ` dan.j.williams
2026-02-19 12:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-19 14:15 ` Lukas Wunner
2026-02-19 14:31 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-19 15:07 ` Lukas Wunner
2026-02-19 17:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-19 20:07 ` dan.j.williams
2026-02-20 8:30 ` Lukas Wunner
2026-02-20 14:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-21 18:46 ` Lukas Wunner
2026-02-21 23:29 ` dan.j.williams
2026-02-23 17:15 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-23 19:11 ` dan.j.williams
2026-02-24 14:33 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-05 4:17 ` dan.j.williams
2026-03-05 12:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-05 19:49 ` dan.j.williams
2026-03-09 11:39 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-03-09 12:31 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-09 15:33 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-03-09 15:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-09 18:00 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-03-09 20:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-09 23:11 ` DanX Williams
2026-02-24 14:16 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-24 15:54 ` Lukas Wunner
2026-02-25 14:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-19 14:40 ` Greg KH
2026-02-20 7:46 ` Lukas Wunner
2026-02-20 9:14 ` Greg KH
2026-02-20 11:45 ` Lukas Wunner
2026-02-20 11:57 ` Greg KH
2026-02-19 9:34 ` Lukas Wunner
2026-02-19 12:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-19 18:48 ` dan.j.williams
2026-02-19 9:13 ` Lukas Wunner
2026-02-19 18:42 ` dan.j.williams
2026-02-19 11:24 ` Jonathan Cameron
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