From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Mathieu Desnoyers" <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
"André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
"Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>,
"Florian Weimer" <fweimer@redhat.com>,
"Rich Felker" <dalias@aerifal.cx>,
"Torvald Riegel" <triegel@redhat.com>,
"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@kernel.org>,
"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
"Uros Bizjak" <ubizjak@gmail.com>,
"Thomas Weißschuh" <linux@weissschuh.net>,
"Mark Brown" <broonie@kernel.org>,
"Richard Weinberger" <richard@nod.at>
Subject: Re: [patch V5 11/16] futex: Provide infrastructure to plug the non contended robust futex unlock race
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2026 16:47:05 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h5nj7kba.ffs@fw13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260603091415.GU3102624@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Wed, Jun 03 2026 at 11:14, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 02, 2026 at 11:10:04AM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>> This is only relevant when user space was interrupted and a signal is
>> pending. The fix-up has to be done before signal delivery is attempted
>> because:
>>
>> 1) The signal might be fatal so get_signal() ends up in do_exit()
>>
>> 2) The signal handler might crash or the task is killed before returning
>> from the handler. At that point the instruction pointer in pt_regs is
>> not longer the instruction pointer of the initially interrupted unlock
>> sequence.
>
> However, due to the pending field being strictly per thread (thread
> local storage and all that), the whole construct of futex robust unlock
> is not signal safe in the sense that signal handlers must not use it.
>
> A signal handler trying to use this would result in nested use of the
> pending field, and that leads to corrupted state.
That's true already today and this unlock magic does not change it.
>> Other architectures might need to do more complex evaluations due to LLSC,
>> but the approach is valid in general. The size of the pointer is determined
>> from the matching range struct, which covers both 32-bit and 64-bit builds
>> including COMPAT.
>
> So my initial thoughts today were that we should probably also move the
> IP to .Lend, to avoid userspace from writing to that location again.
>
> However, due to the above mentioned restrictions vs signals, there
> cannot be a situation where this matters, and so the point is moot.
>
> A double store is harmless and it makes the kernel just this little bit
> simpler.
>
> The only reason I'm sending this email is to have this more explicitly
> documented for posterity I suppose ;-)
Indeed :)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-03 14:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-02 9:09 [patch V5 00/16] futex: Address the robust futex unlock race for real Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-02 9:09 ` [patch V5 01/16] percpu: Sanitize __percpu_qual include hell Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 14:25 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-02 9:09 ` [patch V5 02/16] futex: Move futex task related data into a struct Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 14:25 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-02 9:09 ` [patch V5 03/16] futex: Make futex_mm_init() void Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 14:25 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-02 9:09 ` [patch V5 04/16] futex: Move futex related mm_struct data into a struct Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 14:25 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-02 9:09 ` [patch V5 05/16] futex: Provide UABI defines for robust list entry modifiers Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 14:25 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-02 9:09 ` [patch V5 06/16] uaccess: Provide unsafe_atomic_store_release_user() Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 14:24 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-02 9:09 ` [patch V5 07/16] x86: Select ARCH_MEMORY_ORDER_TSO Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 14:24 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-02 9:09 ` [patch V5 08/16] futex: Cleanup UAPI defines Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 14:24 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-02 9:09 ` [patch V5 09/16] futex: Add support for unlocking robust futexes Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 8:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-03 9:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-03 14:40 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 8:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-03 14:24 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-02 9:09 ` [patch V5 10/16] futex: Add robust futex unlock IP range Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 14:24 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-02 9:10 ` [patch V5 11/16] futex: Provide infrastructure to plug the non contended robust futex unlock race Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 8:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-03 9:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-03 14:47 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2026-06-03 9:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-03 14:42 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 14:24 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-02 9:10 ` [patch V5 12/16] x86/vdso: Prepare for robust futex unlock support Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 14:24 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-02 9:10 ` [patch V5 13/16] x86/vdso: Implement __vdso_futex_robust_try_unlock() Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 14:24 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-02 9:10 ` [patch V5 14/16] Documentation: futex: Add a note about robust list race condition Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 14:24 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for André Almeida
2026-06-02 9:10 ` [patch V5 15/16] selftests: futex: Add tests for robust release operations Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-03 14:24 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for André Almeida
2026-06-02 9:10 ` [patch V5 16/16] [RFC] vdso, x86: Expose vdso.so.dbg through sysfs Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-02 10:39 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-06-02 20:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
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