From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
To: Jeff Garzik <garzik@havoc.gtf.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cantab.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:01:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E16ygRk-0000bR-00@starship> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204201039130.19512-100000@home.transmeta.com> <E16yfW9-0000aZ-00@starship> <20020420170747.B14186@havoc.gtf.org>
On Saturday 20 April 2002 23:07, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 11:02:04PM +0200, Daniel Phillips wrote:
> > Martin Dalecki's IDE patch, gosh, look at all the fun. It's a non-BK
> > patch, let's see if there's a pattern. Hmm, the next bushy one is "[PATCH]
> > zerocopy NFS updated", descending from a traditional patch set. The next
> > one, "[PATCH] IDE TCQ #4" is also a traditional patch. Hmm, no bitkeeper
> > patches showing up yet, I don't think I need to go on.
> >
> > There is a clear inverse relationship between the bk-ness of a patch and
> > the extent to which it's discussed on lkml. I don't know what to read into
> > that, but it does seem to lend credence to the idea that the bitkeeper
> > style of working is not compatible with the idea of community discussion.
>
> Concrete examples, please?
>
> Which patches are the stealth patches?
Let me turn that around. Which bitkeeper patches have been posted to lkml and
generated significant amounts of discussion on lkml in the last week? Versus
how many lines of bitkeeper patches applied to Linus's tree?
I went through the 1,000 or so most recent postings on lkml, looking for patches
that generated discussion. Here's what I found:
BK patches generating discussion:
[PATCH] for_each_zone / for_each_pgdat
[BK PATCH] USB device support for 2.5.8
[BKPATCH 2.4] meye driver: fix request_irq bug
Non BK patches generating discussion:
[CFT][PATCH] (1/5) sane procfs/dcache interaction
[PATCH] Documenation/vm/numa
[PATCH] fix ips driver compile problems
[PATCH] IDE TCQ #4
[PATCH] migration thread fix
[PATCH] Wrong IRQ for USB on Sony Vaio (dmi_scan.c, pci-irq.c)
[PATCH] x86 boot enhancements, boot bean counting 8/11
[PATCH][2.5-dj] P4 thermal LVT (damage control)
[PATCHSET] Linux 2.4.19-pre7-jam1
[RFC] 2.5.8 sort kernel tables
page_alloc.c comments patch
[PATCH] Re: SSE related security hole
Both BK and non-BK:
[PATCH] i386 arch subdivision into machine types for 2.5.8
The next question you might ask is: are there more BK patches or
more Non-BK, in total, on and off lkml? I don't have statistics at
hand but I'm willing to bet that there are more BK patches, because
that is how the bulk of the grunt tree maintainance is getting
done these days.
My conclusion: though there are more BK patches being applied to Linus's
tree than non-BK, they are generating less discussion on lkml than non-BK
patches do. Or to put it bluntly: BK patches are not being discussed.
--
Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-04-20 22:01 UTC|newest]
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2002-04-19 15:12 [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 15:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:16 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 16:25 ` David Lang
2002-04-20 17:05 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-20 16:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 16:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 17:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-20 17:38 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 2:26 ` Ian Molton
2002-06-18 19:12 ` Greg Stark
2002-04-20 17:19 ` [PATCH] " Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 21:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 21:36 ` Skip Ford
2002-04-20 21:40 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-20 23:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 21:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 0:04 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-21 0:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 9:22 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 10:05 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 10:17 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 11:10 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 16:46 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 17:00 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:05 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 17:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 13:18 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-21 13:41 ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 16:50 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 17:18 ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 15:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:11 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 12:06 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-22 16:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-23 13:49 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 14:51 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 15:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 17:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 18:12 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:13 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 15:35 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:37 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 16:04 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 17:01 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 17:06 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:05 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 15:27 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-21 2:30 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 15:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 15:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 15:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 23:36 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-26 21:58 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-20 16:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 16:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:54 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-21 2:36 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 15:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:29 ` Nils Philippsen
2002-04-20 16:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 2:38 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 16:13 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-19 16:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:51 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-19 17:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 17:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 21:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 21:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 22:01 ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-04-20 22:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 22:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 22:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 1:41 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-20 15:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 15:52 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 15:59 ` Russell King
2002-04-20 16:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:15 ` Russell King
2002-04-21 16:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:02 ` arjan
2002-04-20 22:30 ` Stelian Pop
2002-04-21 2:46 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 22:37 ` Russell King
2002-04-20 23:15 ` Kenneth Johansson
2002-04-20 17:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 1:38 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-04-21 15:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 22:00 ` Stevie O
2002-04-20 22:14 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 2:48 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 22:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:16 ` Suggestion " CaT
2002-04-21 17:40 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 17:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:54 ` CaT
2002-04-21 18:11 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:23 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 19:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 6:04 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-22 10:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 10:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 10:57 ` Rasmus Andersen
2002-04-21 22:08 ` Barry K. Nathan
2002-04-21 17:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:54 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 12:10 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-04-23 15:02 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 15:07 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-04-23 15:12 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 16:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-04-24 9:03 ` David Woodhouse
2002-04-24 11:33 ` Dave Jones
2002-04-21 18:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 18:25 ` Tigran Aivazian
2002-04-20 17:51 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-19 18:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:51 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-20 18:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:19 ` Dave Jones
2002-04-20 17:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-20 18:35 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-20 18:13 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-19 19:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 20:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 2:53 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 1:46 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 15:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:26 ` Tigran Aivazian
2002-04-20 16:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:27 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-20 16:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:45 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-20 17:41 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-19 18:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-19 18:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:44 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-19 19:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:48 ` Russell King
2002-04-19 19:19 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 2:57 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 2:56 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 3:46 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 3:43 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 4:05 ` BK, deltas, snapshots and fate of -pre Alexander Viro
2002-04-21 1:53 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 18:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 23:08 ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-24 2:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 3:59 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21 4:32 ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-21 5:59 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-21 4:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 12:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 15:44 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 15:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 16:10 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 16:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:53 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:09 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 19:53 ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 20:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:53 ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 21:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 21:21 ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 21:37 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 21:45 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 22:49 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 22:08 ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-22 22:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:30 ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-22 21:33 ` Nicholas Harring
2002-04-25 20:53 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-21 23:16 ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-23 20:45 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-25 3:51 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-25 3:55 ` Olivier Galibert
2002-04-25 12:38 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-25 13:33 ` David Woodhouse
2002-04-25 14:29 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-25 15:41 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-22 17:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-27 18:59 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-26 20:19 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-28 17:42 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-26 20:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-28 17:52 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-27 20:02 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-28 17:40 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 18:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-28 18:47 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 19:07 ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-28 19:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-28 19:41 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 19:49 ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-28 19:42 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 20:03 ` tomas szepe
2002-04-28 20:11 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-28 20:40 ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-29 6:55 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-29 6:55 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-28 20:06 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-27 20:40 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 17:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:37 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 17:21 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:48 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:03 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 20:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 21:06 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:57 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-22 18:01 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 18:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 18:29 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 18:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 19:41 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-23 4:57 ` Andre Pang
2002-04-22 11:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 5:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-21 4:31 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 4:20 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21 4:42 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 4:29 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21 4:49 ` Ben Greear
2002-04-21 6:27 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-21 11:18 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 16:28 ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 12:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 13:14 ` Impressions of 2.5.8 Matthew D. Pitts
2002-04-21 4:40 ` BK, deltas, snapshots and fate of -pre Skip Ford
2002-04-21 8:31 ` Russell King
2002-04-21 13:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 13:08 ` Russell King
2002-04-21 20:53 ` Skip Ford
2002-04-21 16:35 ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 17:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:23 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:39 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:47 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:57 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:26 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 6:33 ` Rusty Russell
2002-04-21 15:36 ` [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 9:28 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 15:53 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 18:11 ` John Alvord
2002-04-21 18:15 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 15:35 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:09 ` Daniel Phillips
[not found] <20020421101731.D10525@work.bitmover.com>
2002-04-21 17:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:21 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 19:07 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 14:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:38 ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 18:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 19:06 ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 14:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:30 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 20:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 22:04 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-21 20:22 ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-22 0:01 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 20:32 ` Jeff Garzik
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-22 18:37 Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 18:58 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 19:19 ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 19:51 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 19:56 ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 20:13 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 19:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:53 ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 19:47 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-22 19:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:13 ` Rik van Riel
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