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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
To: dean gaudet <dean-list-linux-kernel@arctic.org>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, Jeff Garzik <garzik@havoc.gtf.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:53:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E16zIi9-0001Fs-00@starship> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204211158160.30929-100000@twinlark.arctic.org>

On Sunday 21 April 2002 21:06, dean gaudet wrote:
> personally i probably wouldn't be so interested in bk if it weren't for
> all the zealots telling me it's something i shouldn't even consider using.
> your approach is about as effective as the war on drugs, or minimum
> alcohol consumption age limits.  tell what i can't do and i'm damn well
> going to go investigate what it is that's supposedly so bad for me.
> 
> thanks to all of you for pointing me in the direction of a tool which
> looks to be a huge step forward in SCM.  i believe "paradigm shift" would
> be an apt term for bk.

You seem to think I'm against Bitkeeper, or its use, or that I think
Bitkeeper isn't helping linux.  You're wrong.  I am against carrying what
*appears* to be a big advertisement for Bitkeeper itself in the Linux
source tree.  This I see as akin to putting up a commercial billboard in a
public park.  Would you be comfortable with that?

If my comments have caused increased interest in Bitkeeper and spiked up
Larry's downloads, I am glad.  Now everybody is happy except a number of
those whose involvement with Linux is based on some kind of philosophical
belief in the freeness of software (or at least in the freeness of Linux)
and who have been on the butt end of numerous insults in this thread,
your insult above ("zealots") being a good example.

I have suggested carrying a URL instead.  Is it reasonable?  Who is being
extreme here?

Furthermore, who is making the vicious attacks, and why?

-- 
Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2002-04-22 14:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 186+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20020421101731.D10525@work.bitmover.com>
2002-04-21 17:22 ` [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:48   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:55     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:07       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:13       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:15         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:26           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:40             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:21         ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:29           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:36             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:46               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 19:07                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 14:39               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:38             ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 18:08     ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:15       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 19:06         ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 14:53           ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-04-22 17:03             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:27               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:30                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:47                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:40                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:57                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:47                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 20:54                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 22:04                       ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-22 22:17                         ` There is no cabal (was: the BK flamewar) Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 23:22                           ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-22 23:27                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 20:37             ` double-standard? (Re: [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree) dean gaudet
2002-04-21 20:49               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 20:22           ` [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree Andrew Morton
2002-04-22  0:01             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 20:32             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 18:37 Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 18:58 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 19:19   ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 19:51     ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 19:56       ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 20:13         ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 19:52     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:53   ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 19:47 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-22 19:54   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:13 ` Rik van Riel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-19 15:12 Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 15:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:16   ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 16:25     ` David Lang
2002-04-20 17:05       ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 17:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-20 16:25     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 16:33       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:56         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 17:17           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:35             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-20 17:38           ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21  2:26           ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 17:19       ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 21:03         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 21:36           ` Skip Ford
2002-04-20 21:40             ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-20 23:14               ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 21:53             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  0:04           ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-21  0:17             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21  9:22               ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 10:05                 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 10:17                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 11:10                 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 16:46                   ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 17:00                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:05                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 17:14                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 13:18                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-21 13:41                   ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 16:50                     ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 17:18                       ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 15:17                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:32             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:46               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:57                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:11                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 12:06               ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-22 16:39                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-23 13:49                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 14:51                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 15:29                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 17:00                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 18:12                           ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:13                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:17                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 15:35                           ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:37                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 16:04                               ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 17:01                                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 17:06                                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:05                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 15:27                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-21  2:30           ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 15:33             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 15:46               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 15:59                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 23:36                   ` Ian Molton
2002-04-26 21:58                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-20 16:37   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 16:45     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:54       ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-21  2:36       ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 15:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:29   ` Nils Philippsen
2002-04-20 16:56     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  2:38   ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 16:13 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-19 16:21   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:51     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-19 17:05       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:09         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 17:32           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:51             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 21:02               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 21:07                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 22:01                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 22:20                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 22:34                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 22:54                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  1:41                         ` Rob Landley
2002-04-20 15:44                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 15:52                             ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 15:59                             ` Russell King
2002-04-20 16:10                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:15                                 ` Russell King
2002-04-21 16:15                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:02                             ` arjan
2002-04-20 22:30                     ` Stelian Pop
2002-04-21  2:46                       ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 22:37                     ` Russell King
2002-04-20 23:15                     ` Kenneth Johansson
2002-04-20 17:05                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:15                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  1:38                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-04-21 15:32                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 22:00                 ` Stevie O
2002-04-20 22:14                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21  2:48                     ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 22:31                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:51             ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-19 18:27               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:51                 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-20 18:41                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:15         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:19         ` Dave Jones
2002-04-20 17:58       ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-20 18:35         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-20 18:13     ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-19 19:43       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 20:04         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  2:53           ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21  1:46         ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 15:51           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:26             ` Tigran Aivazian
2002-04-20 16:34               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:27     ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-20 16:36       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:45         ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-20 17:41 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-19 18:07   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-19 18:15   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:44     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-19 19:22       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:48     ` Russell King
2002-04-19 19:19       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21  2:57       ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21  2:56         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21  3:46           ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21  3:43             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 15:36             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21  9:28           ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 15:53             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 18:11             ` John Alvord
2002-04-21 18:15               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 15:35         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:09           ` Daniel Phillips

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