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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Uros Bizjak <ubizjak@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/20] x86/barrier: Use alternative_io() in 32-bit barrier functions
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2025 09:47:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z9U-v5aVdVkaVEgV@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wj_F4_uTMQ2w7M7TRJqn9dx+LEifuvkvqd_ODSbMU-U3g@mail.gmail.com>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 at 14:09, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > Thing is, we still have alternative(), which is also an asm wrapper, but
> > it's for when the caller doesn't care about adding any constraints.
> >
> > So the "_io()" distinguishes from that.
> 
> .. but I think it does so very badly because "io" really means
> something else entirely in absolutely all other contexts.

Yeah, alternative_io() is really a misnomer we should fix.

As a minor side note, it's *doubly* a misnomer, because 'io' mixes up 
the defined 'o/i' order of the output/input constraints:

  arch/x86/include/asm/alternative.h:#define alternative_io(oldinstr, newinstr, ft_flags, output, input...)       \

So it should have been alternative_oi().


> And it really makes no sense as "io", since it doesn't take inputs and
> outputs, it takes inputs, outputs AND CLOBBERS.
> 
> So it would make more sense to call it "ioc", but that's just obvious
> nonsense, and "ioc" is already taken as a globally recognized
> shorthand for "corruption in sports".

lol ...

> So "ioc" is bad too, but that should make you go "Oh, 'io' is _doubly_
> nonsensical".
> 
> Ergo: I think "asm" would be a better distinguishing marker, withg the
> plain "alternative()" being used for particularly simple asms.

Yeah, alternative_asm() or alternative_opts(). Anything but '_io()' :-)

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-15  8:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-14 21:41 [PATCH 00/20] x86: Cleanup alternative_io() and friends, prep for asm_call() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 01/20] x86/cpu: Use named asm operands in prefetch[w]() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 02/20] x86/apic: Use named asm operands in native_apic_mem_write() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 03/20] x86/mm: Use named asm operands in task_size_max() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 04/20] x86/cpu: Use named asm operands in clflushopt() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 23:46   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-15  0:07     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-15  8:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-15  9:25         ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 05/20] x86/asm: Always use flag output operands Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 06/20] x86/asm: Remove CC_SET() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-15  9:25   ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 07/20] x86/alternative: Remove operand numbering restrictions Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 08/20] x86/asm: Replace ASM_{OUTPUT,INPUT}() with ARG() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 09/20] x86/alternative: Simplify alternative_io() interface Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 10/20] x86/alternative: Add alternative_2_io() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 11/20] x86/alternative: Make alternative() a wrapper around alternative_io() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 12/20] x86/cpu: Use alternative_io() in prefetch[w]() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 13/20] x86/alternative: Remove alternative_input() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 14/20] x86/barrier: Use alternative_io() in 32-bit barrier functions Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 23:49   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-14 23:54     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-15  0:09       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-15  0:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-15  8:47           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2025-03-15  0:05     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-15  9:14       ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-17 20:04       ` David Laight
2025-03-18  0:11         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-18 22:06           ` David Laight
2025-03-18 22:29             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-15  8:52     ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 15/20] x86/cpu/amd: Use named asm operands in asm_clear_divider() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-15  9:01   ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-15 10:00     ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 16/20] x86/cpu: Use alternative_io() in amd_clear_divider() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-15  9:03   ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 17/20] x86/smap: Use named asm operands in smap_{save,restore}() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 22:51   ` Andrew Cooper
2025-03-14 23:56     ` Andrew Cooper
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 18/20] x86/smap: Use alternative_io() " Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-15  9:09   ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 19/20] x86/uaccess: Use alternative_io() in __untagged_addr() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-15  9:12   ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-14 21:41 ` [PATCH 20/20] x86/msr: Use alternative_2_io() in rdtsc_ordered() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-14 22:25 ` [PATCH 00/20] x86: Cleanup alternative_io() and friends, prep for asm_call() Josh Poimboeuf
2025-03-15  9:52   ` Uros Bizjak

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