From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] mm: Make per-VMA locks available universally
Date: Fri, 8 May 2026 12:12:25 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a07231f7-c5a1-4de0-8d4a-459d5ecb5676@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260429181955.0C443845@davehans-spike.ostc.intel.com>
On 4/29/26 20:19, Dave Hansen wrote:
> From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
>
> The per-VMA locks have been around for several years. They've had some
> bugs worked out of them and have seen quite wide use. However, they
> are still only available when architectures explicitly enable them.
> Remove the conditional compilation around the per-VMA locks, making
> them available on all architectures and configs.
Yes, we should really just make it now just a fixed part of the kernel design.
>
> The approach up to now seemed to be to add ARCH_SUPPORTS_PER_VMA_LOCK
> when the architecture started using per-VMA locks in the fault
> handler. But, contrary to the naming, the Kconfig option does not
> really indicate whether the architecture supports per-VMA locks or
> not. It is more of a marker for whether the architecture is likely to
> benefit from per-VMA locks.
>
> To me, the most important thing side-effect of universal availability
> is letting per-VMA locks be used in SMP=n configs. This lets us use
> per-VMA locking in all x86 code without fallbacks.
>
> Overall, this just generally makes the kernel simpler. Just look at
> the diffstat. It also opens the door to users that want to use the
> per-VMA locks in common code. Doing *that* can bring additional
> simplifications.
>
> The downside of this is adding some fields to vm_area_struct and
> mm_struct.
I'd assume most distributions would already enable it.
mm_struct is very likely not a problem.
On x86-64, the smallest size for vma_area_struct possible (make allnoconfig)
seems to be 68bytes. The largest size (make allyesconfig) with lockdep and all
that is 256bytes. Without lockdep we are at 192 bytes: independent of per-VMA locks.
I'd expect that on most 64bit configs we usually end up with 192 bytes today.
Given that our slab sizes are ...32/64/96/128/192/..., I guess we'd have to be
lucky to jump between sizes on most configs.
Maybe on 32bit? Not sure if anybody would really notice.
> I suspect there are some very simple ways to implement the
> per-VMA locks that don't require any additional fields, especially if
> such an approach was limited to SMP=n configs*. For now, do the
> simplest thing: use the same implementation everywhere.
>
> * For example, since SMP=n configs don't care much about scalability or
> false sharing, there could be a single, global VMA seqcount that is
> bumped when any VMA is modified instead of having space in each VMA
> for a seqcount.
I'd do that only if we actually determine this to be a problem.
--
Cheers,
David
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Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20260429181954.F50224AE@davehans-spike.ostc.intel.com>
[not found] ` <20260429182005.00BF70D8@davehans-spike.ostc.intel.com>
2026-05-04 23:15 ` [PATCH 6/6] x86/mm: Avoid mmap lock for shadow stack pop fast path Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-05-05 16:39 ` Dave Hansen
2026-05-08 20:39 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
[not found] ` <20260429181955.0C443845@davehans-spike.ostc.intel.com>
2026-05-08 10:12 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-05-08 10:58 ` [PATCH 1/6] mm: Make per-VMA locks available universally David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-08 16:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-08 16:52 ` [PATCH 0/6] mm: Make per-VMA locks available in all builds Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-08 17:01 ` Dave Hansen
[not found] ` <20260429181957.7511C256@davehans-spike.ostc.intel.com>
2026-05-08 17:06 ` [PATCH 2/6] binder: Make shrinker rely solely on per-VMA lock Lorenzo Stoakes
[not found] ` <20260429181959.BC9DABC5@davehans-spike.ostc.intel.com>
2026-05-08 17:26 ` [PATCH 3/6] mm: Add RCU-based VMA lookup that waits for writers Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-08 20:15 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
[not found] ` <20260429182000.93887DFB@davehans-spike.ostc.intel.com>
2026-05-08 17:29 ` [PATCH 4/6] binder: Remove mmap_lock fallback Lorenzo Stoakes
[not found] ` <20260429182002.BB61C7BC@davehans-spike.ostc.intel.com>
2026-05-08 17:32 ` [PATCH 5/6] tcp: Remove mmap_lock fallback path Lorenzo Stoakes
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