From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 6/6] timers: Exclude isolated cpus from timer migation
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 15:16:08 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aFv2mLdH3lNHdKtp@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a55waylv.ffs@tglx>
Le Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 12:45:32PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner a écrit :
> On Tue, Jun 24 2025 at 16:52, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > Le Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 04:06:41PM +0200, Gabriele Monaco a écrit :
> >> Right, but as far as I understood, the first call to
> >> tmigr_set_cpu_available() happens after the isolcpus parameter has been
> >> parsed so we know at least cpu0 is going to be isolated.
> >>
> >> On my machine it works reliably this way. I'm a bit lost in the init
> >> code but seeing housekeeping_init() before rcu_init(), which in turn
> >> should be required for some RCU-related early_initcalls, makes me
> >> believe this order is guaranteed to be respected.
> >> Or am I missing something?
> >
> > Right I think you need to keep those checks because if CPU 0 is isolcpus
> > and CPU 5 is nohz_full, CPU 0 will become later the timekeeper and must stay
> > in the tmigr hierarchy.
> >
> > OTOH if CPU 0 is isolcpus and there is no nohz_full CPUs, then CPU 0 doesn't
> > want to go to the hierarchy.
> >
> > cpuset isolated partitions are different because they issue SMP calls whereas
> > isolcpus is defined on boot.
> >
> > An alternative for isolcpus could be to make a late initcall and do the smp
> > calls from there just like is done for cpusets.
>
> There is zero reason for isolcpus and nohz full muck to be
> active/evaluated during early boot. That's all irrelevant and just
> complicates things further.
>
> Can we please clean this up and make it a sensible design instead of
> duct taping new functionality into it in completely incomprehensible
> ways?
>
> Especially under the aspect that all this should become run-time
> modifyable. That requires a run-time switch mechanism anyway, so the
> obvious design choice is to utilize that run-time switch late in the
> boot sequence to set this stuff up before user space starts and leave
> the boot process alone and simple.
>
> The KISS principle applies here fully.
Ok so the late initcall should work.
Thanks.
--
Frederic Weisbecker
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-25 13:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-30 14:20 [PATCH v6 0/6] timers: Exclude isolated cpus from timer migation Gabriele Monaco
2025-05-30 14:20 ` [PATCH v6 1/6] timers: Rename tmigr 'online' bit to 'available' Gabriele Monaco
2025-06-20 17:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-05-30 14:20 ` [PATCH v6 2/6] timers: Add the available mask in timer migration Gabriele Monaco
2025-05-30 14:20 ` [PATCH v6 3/6] cgroup/cpuset: Rename update_unbound_workqueue_cpumask() to update_exclusion_cpumasks() Gabriele Monaco
2025-05-30 14:20 ` [PATCH v6 4/6] sched/isolation: Force housekeeping if isolcpus and nohz_full don't leave any Gabriele Monaco
2025-05-30 14:20 ` [PATCH v6 5/6] cgroup/cpuset: Fail if isolated and nohz_full don't leave any housekeeping Gabriele Monaco
2025-05-30 14:20 ` [PATCH v6 6/6] timers: Exclude isolated cpus from timer migation Gabriele Monaco
2025-06-20 17:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-06-24 8:05 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-06-24 13:20 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-06-24 14:06 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-06-24 14:52 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-06-25 10:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-06-25 13:16 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2025-06-25 13:46 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-06-25 14:42 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-06-18 12:17 ` [PATCH v6 0/6] " Gabriele Monaco
2025-06-18 12:22 ` Frederic Weisbecker
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