From: Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Cc: Joshua Peisach <jpeisach@ubuntu.com>,
corbet@lwn.net, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
skhan@linuxfoundation.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
gregkh@linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] killswitch: add per-function short-circuit mitigation primitive
Date: Fri, 8 May 2026 12:23:19 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <af4N9_YOgDQziRCR@laps> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b14d54c0-0fe8-4d98-a2ea-2dd830cd5869@efficios.com>
On Fri, May 08, 2026 at 12:18:28PM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>On 2026-05-08 12:13, Sasha Levin wrote:
>[...]
>>>One possible approach to prevent "footgun" type of killswitch use would
>>>be to first apply a statistics collection killswitch handler that does
>>>not change the behavior: it checks whether the target function is
>>>invoked at all on the system for a given period of time. Then it applies
>>>the killswitch if it was not invoked during that period. Overall
>>>sequence:
>>>
>>>- pre-soak killswitch for e.g. 30s, checking whether the function is
>>> invoked at all. (period would be user-configurable)
>>>- if no calls were detected, engage killswitch, else report failure to
>>> the user.
>>>
>>>This should prevent footguns such as trying to killswitch fork, malloc
>>>or other core functions which are inherently required.
>>
>>Why not just use our good old tracing infra? Set tracepoints where ever you
>>want, collect any data you might need, and engage the killswitch
>>when you're
>>happy with the data you have?
>>
>>It feels a bit weird adding something like this into killswitch.
>
>It really depends on whether you want to include some basic safety nets
>directly within killswitch, or leave that entirely to the end user.
>
>I don't have a strong opinion either way. I was just pointing out the
>feasibility of a pre-soak sanity check before applying the killswitch.
What about doing this with some userspace tooling (maybe under scripts/) to
facilitate this?
--
Thanks,
Sasha
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-08 16:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-07 7:05 [PATCH] killswitch: add per-function short-circuit mitigation primitive Sasha Levin
2026-05-07 10:47 ` Greg KH
2026-05-07 13:40 ` Sasha Levin
2026-05-07 16:23 ` Greg KH
2026-05-07 15:21 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-05-08 13:44 ` Sasha Levin
2026-05-08 15:40 ` Joshua Peisach
2026-05-08 15:48 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-05-08 16:13 ` Sasha Levin
2026-05-08 16:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-05-08 16:23 ` Sasha Levin [this message]
2026-05-08 16:26 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-05-08 16:54 ` Sasha Levin
2026-05-08 20:56 ` Andrew Morton
2026-05-08 21:47 ` Sasha Levin
2026-05-08 23:49 ` Andrew Morton
2026-05-09 0:15 ` Sasha Levin
2026-05-09 0:36 ` Andrew Morton
2026-05-11 11:41 ` Breno Leitao
2026-05-11 13:07 ` Michal Hocko
2026-05-11 13:39 ` Sasha Levin
2026-05-11 13:49 ` Michal Hocko
2026-05-11 13:56 ` Sasha Levin
2026-05-11 14:25 ` Michal Hocko
2026-05-11 15:55 ` Sasha Levin
2026-05-11 16:10 ` Michal Hocko
2026-05-11 16:45 ` Sasha Levin
2026-05-11 17:10 ` Michal Hocko
2026-05-11 18:09 ` Sasha Levin
2026-05-11 13:40 ` Breno Leitao
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