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From: Yury Norov <yury.norov@gmail.com>
To: Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Yury Norov <yury.norov@gmail.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	peterz@infradead.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, iii@linux.ibm.com, tglx@kernel.org,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	seanjc@google.com, vschneid@redhat.com, huschle@linux.ibm.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	bsegall@google.com, maddy@linux.ibm.com, srikar@linux.ibm.com,
	hdanton@sina.com, chleroy@kernel.org, vineeth@bitbyteword.org,
	frederic@kernel.org, arighi@nvidia.com, pauld@redhat.com,
	christian.loehle@arm.com, tj@kernel.org,
	tommaso.cucinotta@gmail.com, maz@kernel.org, rafael@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 14/20] sched/core: Introduce a simple steal monitor
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2026 03:16:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ajObSdTAPVhTS8QG@yury> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ed002bf7-ea2f-402a-97a8-5ae8b8a060f1@linux.ibm.com>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2026 at 12:15:16PM +0530, Shrikanth Hegde wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Yury.
> 
> On 6/18/26 12:09 PM, Yury Norov wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2026 at 11:31:17AM +0530, Shrikanth Hegde wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 6/18/26 11:02 AM, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
> > > > Hello Shrikanth, Yury,
> > > > 
> > > > On 6/18/2026 10:14 AM, Shrikanth Hegde wrote:
> > > > > On 6/18/26 10:00 AM, Yury Norov wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2026 at 11:11:33PM +0530, Shrikanth Hegde wrote:
> > > > > > > Start with a simple steal monitor.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > It is meant to look at steal time and make the decision to
> > > > > > > reduce/increase the preferred CPUs.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > It has
> > > > > > > - work function to execute the steal time calculations and decision
> > > > > > >      making periodically.
> > > > > > > - low and high thresholds for steal time.
> > > > > > > - sampling period to control the frequency of steal time calculations.
> > > > > > > - cache the previous decision to avoid oscillations
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This monitor is the one implementation out of quite many possible,
> > > > > > right? I don't think it should live in the core scheduler files, it
> > > > > > should be a module.
> > > > 
> > > > I agree that this tight of an integration with the sched bits might not
> > > > not be required.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > You mean similar to drivers/cpuidle/? a new one drivers/steal_monitor/ ?
> > > > 
> > > > Since steal time is a virtualization concept, somewhere in drivers/virt/
> > > > probably makes more sense unless we need some scheduler internal API to
> > > > implement it which shouldn't be the case.
> > > > 
> > > > All the driver has to do is track steal-time (which should be available
> > > > via kcpustat_cpu_fetch()) periodically (using a workqueue?) and should
> > > > do set_cpu_preferred() (which needs to be made available for other use
> > > > cases anyways) so it should be possible.
> > > 
> > > Yes. Seems like doable.
> > > 
> > > Do you think it would make sense to keep the debugfs in sched still?
> > 
> > The enable/disable part will be replaced with insmod/rmmod. The
> > statistics part - IDK. It is nice to have all stats at the same
> > place. On the other hand, without the driver loaded it would
> > always read zeroes. It anyways is just a single line in sched/core.c,
> > not a big deal.
> > 
> 
> I was asking about these debugfs knobs.
> 
> steal_monitor/high_threshold:500
> steal_monitor/low_threshold:200
> steal_monitor/sampling_period:1000

Those are the driver defaults. And if you want to override one, then:

insmod steal_monitor.ko high_threshold=400

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-18  7:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-17 17:41 [PATCH v4 00/20] sched: Introduce cpu_preferred_mask and steal-driven vCPU backoff Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 01/20] sched/debug: Remove unused schedstats Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 02/20] sched/docs: Document cpu_preferred_mask and Preferred CPU concept Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 03/20] kconfig: Provide PREFERRED_CPU option Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-18  0:51   ` Yury Norov
2026-06-18  3:44     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 04/20] cpumask: Introduce cpu_preferred_mask Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-18  1:29   ` Yury Norov
2026-06-18  3:53     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-18  8:27       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 05/20] sysfs: Add preferred CPU file Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 06/20] sched/core: allow only preferred CPUs in is_cpu_allowed Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-18  3:32   ` Yury Norov
     [not found]     ` <c4546759-b316-47e7-aa97-408e20d0f6ed@linux.ibm.com>
2026-06-18  4:49       ` Yury Norov
2026-06-18  5:14         ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-18  3:49   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-06-18  4:22     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 07/20] sched/fair: Select preferred CPU at wakeup when possible Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 08/20] sched/fair: load balance only among preferred CPUs Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-18  3:03   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-06-18  3:54     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 09/20] sched/core: Keep tick on non-preferred CPUs until tasks are out Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 10/20] sched/core: Push current task from non preferred CPU Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-18  4:09   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-06-18  6:05     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 11/20] sched/debug: Add migration stats due to non preferred CPUs Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 12/20] sched/debug: Create debugfs folder steal monitor Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 13/20] sched/debug: Provide debugfs to enable/disable " Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 14/20] sched/core: Introduce a simple " Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-18  4:30   ` Yury Norov
2026-06-18  4:44     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-18  5:32       ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-06-18  6:01         ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-18  6:39           ` Yury Norov
2026-06-18  6:45             ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-18  7:16               ` Yury Norov [this message]
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 15/20] sched/core: Compute steal values at regular intervals Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-18  4:04   ` Yury Norov
2026-06-18  5:39     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 16/20] sched/core: Introduce default arch handling code for inc/dec preferred CPUs Shrikanth Hegde
     [not found]   ` <ajNwy25WYg45AQJX@yury>
2026-06-18  4:42     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 17/20] sched/core: Handle steal values and mark CPUs as preferred Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 18/20] sched/core: Mark the direction of steal values to avoid oscillations Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 19/20] sched/debug: Add debug knobs for steal monitor Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-17 17:41 ` [PATCH v4 20/20] sched/core: Add a few check for valid CPU in inc/dec of preferred CPUs Shrikanth Hegde
2026-06-18  4:21   ` Yury Norov
2026-06-18  4:40     ` Shrikanth Hegde

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