From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.sf.net
Subject: Re: [git pull] drm request 3
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:01:09 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1003041056400.3751@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1003041051470.3751@localhost.localdomain>
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> But none of that changes my basic objections. I didn't ask for nouveau to
> be merged as staging - I asked it to be merged because a major distro uses
> it.
Put another way: the issue of whether _I_ happen to see this personally or
not is kind of irrelevant. We need testers for development kernels. And
any time we make that hard, we lose. That's really fundamental.
The reason distributions should push their drivers upstream, and have a
"upstream first" model in the first place is not because of _my_ hardware.
It's because of the fundamental fact that if people can't test upstream
kernels (because they don't work like the distro kernel does), we end up
in a situations where people can't sanely test current git.
And that model simply doesn't work from a development standpoint. If you
make it basically impossible for people to upgrade kernels, and if you
take away their ability to bisect bugs, you're going to cause the quality
of development to go down.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-03-04 19:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-03-02 23:56 [git pull] drm request 3 Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 18:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:27 ` Matt Turner
2010-03-04 18:36 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 18:39 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 18:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:56 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 19:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:25 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 20:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 22:06 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05 0:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 0:28 ` Ben Skeggs
2010-03-05 0:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 0:56 ` Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05 1:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 1:16 ` Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05 1:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 1:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 1:28 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05 5:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 5:22 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05 5:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 5:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 1:19 ` Upstream first policy Kyle McMartin
2010-03-05 1:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 2:00 ` [git pull] drm request 3 Tony Luck
2010-03-05 20:34 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-03-05 6:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 7:06 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-03-05 7:17 ` "C. Bergström"
2010-03-05 7:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 15:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 7:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 7:58 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05 8:16 ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-05 10:00 ` Making Xorg easier to test (was Re: [git pull] drm request 3) Carlos R. Mafra
2010-03-05 12:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-03-05 15:22 ` Matt Turner
2010-03-05 15:41 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:49 ` Making Xorg easier to test David Miller
2010-03-05 16:03 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:06 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 17:50 ` Xavier Bestel
2010-03-05 17:54 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 18:02 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 18:05 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:53 ` Making Xorg easier to test (was Re: [git pull] drm request 3) Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:11 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-08 8:57 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:26 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 13:55 ` [git pull] drm request 3 Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05 16:21 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 12:38 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 14:37 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 14:46 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-03-05 18:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 15:09 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 15:11 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:17 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:26 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:40 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:48 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 16:02 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:05 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 17:58 ` Younes Manton
2010-03-05 16:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:23 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 17:04 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 17:19 ` tytso
2010-03-05 16:04 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:06 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 16:31 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 17:36 ` Jerome Glisse
2010-03-05 16:46 ` tytso
2010-03-05 19:38 ` Corbin Simpson
2010-03-05 21:01 ` Corbin Simpson
2010-03-05 21:51 ` tytso
2010-03-05 23:50 ` Tilman Schmidt
2010-03-05 17:23 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <hmra63$898$1@xyzzy.farnsworth.org>
2010-03-06 6:17 ` Dale Farnsworth
2010-03-06 17:21 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-03-05 15:56 ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-05 16:13 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:38 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 20:59 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-03-05 16:25 ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-05 15:42 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 17:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-05 19:11 ` Justin P. mattock
2010-03-04 19:33 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 19:12 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 18:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:50 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 18:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:01 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2010-03-04 19:04 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 19:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:25 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 19:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:53 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 20:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 20:46 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 20:57 ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-04 22:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:03 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:27 ` Michel Dänzer
2010-03-04 23:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:35 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 0:24 ` Ed Tomlinson
2010-03-05 0:24 ` Kyle McMartin
2010-03-04 23:28 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:05 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 12:26 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-04 22:28 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 23:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:14 ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-05 12:29 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:18 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 19:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-04 22:18 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 22:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-04 22:59 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-05 11:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-05 15:46 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-05 1:47 ` Robert Hancock
2010-03-05 12:21 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 19:30 ` Eric Anholt
2010-03-05 20:39 ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-06 15:23 ` Sergio Monteiro Basto
2010-03-06 17:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-06 19:06 ` Sergio Monteiro Basto
2010-03-06 19:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-06 20:49 ` tytso
2010-03-06 20:52 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-06 22:38 ` tytso
2010-03-04 21:21 ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-03-04 21:22 ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-03-04 21:27 ` Maarten Maathuis
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2010-03-05 22:18 Jonas Ritz
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