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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.sf.net
Subject: Re: [git pull] drm request 3
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:41:22 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1003041131490.3751@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100304192524.GA24253@srcf.ucam.org>



On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> 
> You're asking volunteers who didn't ask for their driver to be merged to 
> perform more work in order to support users they didn't ask for.

And _you_ are making excuses for BAD TECHNICAL DECISIONS!

Come on! How hard is it to admit that that the change was done badly? How 
hard is it to admit that this isn't a political issue, it's about pure 
technology. There are good ways of doing things, and there are way sof 
doing things badly. 

I'm pointing to real _technical_ problems with how this was done. I'm 
talking about how this hurts testing, and how we've been able to handle 
things in other cases (with versioning, and forwards- or backwards- 
compatibility) without this kind of crap.

If you can't handle backwards compatibility - fine. But I get the very 
strong feeling that people didn't even _think_ about trying to be at least 
forwards-compatible, and I'm getting the _very_ strong feeling that you 
are making excuses for bad technology.

Is there some model of versioning inside X _except_ for the "it won't 
work" kind of thing? Can we fix this going forward, so that you can have 
_real_ versioning (ie multiple installed versions of a libdrm, the way you 
can have concurrently multiple installed versions of glibc?)

IOW, we have a real technical problem here. Are you just going to continue 
to make excuses about it?

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-04 19:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-02 23:56 [git pull] drm request 3 Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 18:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:27   ` Matt Turner
2010-03-04 18:36   ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 18:39     ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 18:51       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:56         ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 19:08           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:25             ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 20:01               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 22:06                 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05  0:08                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  0:28                     ` Ben Skeggs
2010-03-05  0:41                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  0:56                         ` Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05  1:08                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  1:16                             ` Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05  1:22                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  1:20                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  1:28                               ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05  5:17                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  5:22                                   ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05  5:30                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  5:42                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  1:19                         ` Upstream first policy Kyle McMartin
2010-03-05  1:28                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  2:00                         ` [git pull] drm request 3 Tony Luck
2010-03-05 20:34                         ` Felipe Contreras
2010-03-05  6:49                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05  7:06                         ` Pekka Enberg
2010-03-05  7:17                           ` "C. Bergström"
2010-03-05  7:53                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 15:18                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  7:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05  7:58                             ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05  8:16                             ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-05 10:00                             ` Making Xorg easier to test (was Re: [git pull] drm request 3) Carlos R. Mafra
2010-03-05 12:54                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-03-05 15:22                               ` Matt Turner
2010-03-05 15:41                                 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:49                                   ` Making Xorg easier to test David Miller
2010-03-05 16:03                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:06                                     ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 17:50                                     ` Xavier Bestel
2010-03-05 17:54                                       ` David Miller
2010-03-05 18:02                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 18:05                                           ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:53                               ` Making Xorg easier to test (was Re: [git pull] drm request 3) Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:11                                 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:30                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-08  8:57                                     ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:26                                 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 13:55                             ` [git pull] drm request 3 Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05 16:21                             ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 12:38                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 14:37                           ` David Miller
2010-03-05 14:46                             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-03-05 18:05                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 15:09                             ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 15:11                               ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:17                             ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:26                               ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:40                                 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:48                                   ` David Miller
2010-03-05 16:02                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:05                                       ` David Miller
2010-03-05 17:58                                         ` Younes Manton
2010-03-05 16:13                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:23                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:44                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 17:04                                             ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 17:19                                               ` tytso
2010-03-05 16:04                                     ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:06                                       ` David Miller
2010-03-05 16:31                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 17:36                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2010-03-05 16:46                                       ` tytso
2010-03-05 19:38                                         ` Corbin Simpson
2010-03-05 21:01                                           ` Corbin Simpson
2010-03-05 21:51                                           ` tytso
2010-03-05 23:50                                             ` Tilman Schmidt
2010-03-05 17:23                                       ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                       ` <hmra63$898$1@xyzzy.farnsworth.org>
2010-03-06  6:17                                         ` Dale Farnsworth
2010-03-06 17:21                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-03-05 15:56                                   ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-05 16:13                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:19                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:38                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 20:59                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2010-03-05 16:25                                       ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-05 15:42                                 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:07                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 17:42                               ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-05 19:11                                 ` Justin P. mattock
2010-03-04 19:33             ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 19:12         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 18:45     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:43   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:50     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 18:55       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:01         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:04         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 19:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:25             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 19:41               ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2010-03-04 19:53                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 20:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 20:46                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 20:57                     ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-04 22:54                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:03                         ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:19                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:27                             ` Michel Dänzer
2010-03-04 23:28                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:35                               ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:53                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  0:24                                   ` Ed Tomlinson
2010-03-05  0:24                                   ` Kyle McMartin
2010-03-04 23:28                             ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:05                         ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 12:26                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-04 22:28             ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 23:03               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:14                 ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-05 12:29                 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:18                 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 19:32           ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-04 22:18             ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 22:21               ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-04 22:59                 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-05 11:24                   ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-05 15:46                     ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-05  1:47             ` Robert Hancock
2010-03-05 12:21             ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 19:30               ` Eric Anholt
2010-03-05 20:39                 ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-06 15:23     ` Sergio Monteiro Basto
2010-03-06 17:40       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-06 19:06         ` Sergio Monteiro Basto
2010-03-06 19:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-06 20:49             ` tytso
2010-03-06 20:52               ` Alan Cox
2010-03-06 22:38                 ` tytso
2010-03-04 21:21   ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-03-04 21:22     ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-03-04 21:27   ` Maarten Maathuis
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-03-05 22:18 Jonas Ritz

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